by "Honeybunchesofgoats" (honeybunche0fgoats)
Published 02/07/2017 at 11:08
by "Honeybunchesofgoats" (honeybunche0fgoats)
Published 02/07/2017 at 11:08
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You have three dimensions. 16, 7, and 2. They can be whatever units you want, as long as they’re metric, because measuring things in imperial units is dumb.
At work, I keep seeing these units recorded completely wrong, and it’s driving me out of my mind. Just typing this post makes me want to smash something.
How would you record these if you had to give a name to each measurement? Let’s assume you have a database and a drop-down box with a value list of measurement names.
[Name]: 16
[Name2]: 7
[Name3]: 2
What measurement name would you select for each dimension?
"Honeybunchesofgoats" (honeybunche0fgoats)
02/07/2017 at 11:10, STARS: 0
Bonus question:
Pretend it’s a 2D object, and you only have the 16 and 7 measurements. What do you call these?
"Jarrett - [BRZ Boi]" (jarrettw)
02/07/2017 at 11:12, STARS: 1
Metres for all (or cm).
[Height/Length]: 16
[Width]: 7
[Depth]: 2
"Aaron M - MasoFiST" (amarks563)
02/07/2017 at 11:13, STARS: 3
16 would be length, 7 would be width, 2 would be thickness.
"Svend" (svend)
02/07/2017 at 11:13, STARS: 2
But your in the U.S. aren’t you and use the imperial system.
In Europe they are metric, but in the U.K. we use both (but clearly marked as ‘ and “, inches and feet or cm and m).
"PS9" (PS9)
02/07/2017 at 11:13, STARS: 1
Math? On oppo? Nope. I’m outta here.
"Tennessee Dreamer" (smokymtnhigh)
02/07/2017 at 11:14, STARS: 2
i see no other answer than height, width, depth. in that order. is this a trick question?
"wkiernan" (wkiernan)
02/07/2017 at 11:15, STARS: 0
Width, depth, height. Think of it from the point of view of a person standing in front of a door.
Also, imperial units are stupid, unless you are doing any kind of building construction or land surveying in the United States, in which case they are
essential
.
"Honeybunchesofgoats" (honeybunche0fgoats)
02/07/2017 at 11:15, STARS: 2
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU. Depth would have also been acceptable for the last measurement.
Some dipshit keeps recording it as Height, length, width, in that order.
"Svart Smart, traded in his Smart" (svartsmart)
02/07/2017 at 11:15, STARS: 2
My answer would be slightly different: 16 height, 7 width, 2 depth.
"Funktheduck" (funktheduck)
02/07/2017 at 11:16, STARS: 2
16 bourbons by 7 beers by 2 shots of tequila
"bwp240" (bwp240)
02/07/2017 at 11:16, STARS: 1
The convention I know, given no physical context of the piece, is the longest value is length, the perpendicular is width, and the last is thickness or depth.
"Honeybunchesofgoats" (honeybunche0fgoats)
02/07/2017 at 11:16, STARS: 0
Thank you! It is if your the anonymous coworker of mine who keeps recording it as height, length, width.
"TheRealBicycleBuck" (therealbicyclebuck)
02/07/2017 at 11:16, STARS: 3
I suppose a lot of it depends on orientation. As it stands, 16 would be height, the other two length and width. If it’s a cabinet, then 7 might be depth.
The burning question is why the dashed lines? Normally these would be cut lines or hidden lines on the back side of the object. Here, they are just confusing.
There also seems to be something funky going on with the perspective. Are all of the vertical lines supposed to be of equal length?
"Aaron M - MasoFiST" (amarks563)
02/07/2017 at 11:17, STARS: 2
Yeah...never use height unless the object’s fixed with respect to gravity.
"Honeybunchesofgoats" (honeybunche0fgoats)
02/07/2017 at 11:17, STARS: 1
In my experience, when measurements are supposed to actually matter, we either use metric or both. In fact, it was using both that instilled a deep seated hatred of imperial units, since I had to constantly convert everything.
"Honeybunchesofgoats" (honeybunche0fgoats)
02/07/2017 at 11:18, STARS: 0
I’m with you on the names, but the order you’ve chosen confuses me.
"Honeybunchesofgoats" (honeybunche0fgoats)
02/07/2017 at 11:18, STARS: 0
Also completely acceptable.
"Scott" (merl3noir)
02/07/2017 at 11:19, STARS: 1
I ’ ll use the method we use at work. If its in software Z=16, X=7 and Y=2, but the hardware will be labels X=16, Y=7 and Z=2. This way if someone says move X .2mm everyone will have to clarify do you me X in software or on the hardware. Thus by forcing people to slow down and clarify they will be safer. Sadly... I am not joking either. Our Robots use those axis in software but the hardware is labeled completely differently and when I asked management if this could be fixed they said it slows you down and keeps you safe.
"Honeybunchesofgoats" (honeybunche0fgoats)
02/07/2017 at 11:19, STARS: 0
Okay, you’ll have to explan why you went with HxLxW, because that’s what someone at my work is doing and I want to murder them for it.
The dashed lines were because I drew it up in a vector drawing thing for this example and it let me do that.
"Jarrett - [BRZ Boi]" (jarrettw)
02/07/2017 at 11:21, STARS: 0
The education system I grew up with uses LxWxH for a boxy shape, so I can see where those 3 could be used (and up to interpretation)
"Honeybunchesofgoats" (honeybunche0fgoats)
02/07/2017 at 11:21, STARS: 0
"RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht" (ramblininexile)
02/07/2017 at 11:24, STARS: 0
I will add that in my line of work (making metal boxes and things) they are the shizz, and inch thousandths are also the shizz for machinist work. As you were.
"facw" (facw)
02/07/2017 at 11:24, STARS: 0
But if you are talking about something that doesn’t have some fixed orientation, applying any label is silly. You’d just make it 16x7x2. How do you decide which is length is length, which is width, and which is thickness? They are all just as arbitrary as height or depth.
"Svend" (svend)
02/07/2017 at 11:25, STARS: 1
Ye’, using both can be a ball ache especially as they don’t totally match up and you end up with quarter of half 16ths or half millimetres if the work is precise.
"RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht" (ramblininexile)
02/07/2017 at 11:27, STARS: 2
I would default to H/W/D, probably. I actually design parts for a living, but would never be in a situation where dimensions were being entered into a box, because *that* is dumb.
"Urambo Tauro" (urambotauro)
02/07/2017 at 11:29, STARS: 0
No math here, only semantics.
"Honeybunchesofgoats" (honeybunche0fgoats)
02/07/2017 at 11:34, STARS: 1
At one place, I had to use a database where you could input metric or imperial and it would convert to the other unit. I made it clear that if they insisted on having both units, then I would input metric units and not even consider verifying the imperial units. Then it turned out someone had screwed up the conversions and I was like.
"Urambo Tauro" (urambotauro)
02/07/2017 at 11:40, STARS: 0
I’d like to know if there’s a standard way of assigning terminology, too. I guess it’s based on the object in question?
A car doesn’t have thickness or depth , only length, width, and height.
A dishwasher doesn’t have length or thickness , only height, width, and depth.
A cardboard box... well, I want to say it has height , but I do hear depth a lot too, in reference to the interior space as you reach inside.
A sheet of paper has thickness, but not depth or height.
"Aremmes" (aremmes)
02/07/2017 at 11:40, STARS: 1
The largest dimension is length, the other is width.
"Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer" (smallbear94)
02/07/2017 at 11:48, STARS: 2
In its present orientation: 16 is Height, 7 is Width, 2 is Thickness or Depth.
Lay it down and I say Depth, Width and Height, assuming you are facing the “7" side.
I’m going to go a step further here: Vertical plane is Height, Horizontal planes are Width and Depth/Thickness, with Width being the distance side to side as you face it and Depth being the distance from front to back as you face it. Thickness can be substituted for Depth where it makes sense to do so (eg doors, it makes more sense to say 1 3/4" Thick than 1 3/4" Deep).
Length I reserve for quantities rather than objects. Generally. Rules are meant to be broken sometimes. In other words, it’s subjective. Pipes, for example... I’d say I need a piece 3m LONG rather than 3m WIDE.
"TheRealBicycleBuck" (therealbicyclebuck)
02/07/2017 at 11:49, STARS: 1
I followed your lead. You wrote them in descending length order so I did the same. And I quote:
[Name]: 16
[Name2]: 7
[Name3]: 2
Normally I would put them in LxWxH. You would have to define which of the two dimensions were L & W. It would help to have a clearly defined origin and reference plane so you could easily define the ordinate and abscissa.
Just as you are having fits over the order of the measure triplets, you are causing me fits with the inappropriate use of the dashed lines. My brain thinks it’s looking at an Escher drawing.
"Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer" (smallbear94)
02/07/2017 at 11:50, STARS: 1
Height: OK.
Length/Width? WTF?
"diplodicus" (diplodicus)
02/07/2017 at 11:54, STARS: 0
Height, width, depth based on that orientation.
"Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer" (smallbear94)
02/07/2017 at 11:57, STARS: 1
Also, imperial units are stupid, unless you are doing any kind of building construction or land surveying in the United States
ftfy. Seriously. Metric is a pain in the ass in construction. Great for engineering, not for construction. The units are either too small or too large. Besides that, fractional units are actually nicer to deal with as it’s more visual than decimal. But as far as using Imperial outside of construction... fuck that noise.
"Aaron M - MasoFiST" (amarks563)
02/07/2017 at 12:05, STARS: 0
Absolutely. That said, the post was “How would you record these if you had to give a name to each measurement?”
"Honeybunchesofgoats" (honeybunche0fgoats)
02/07/2017 at 12:08, STARS: 0
All fair, but what I’m wondering is why you’d go with length, width, height rather than length/height, width, depth/thickness.
"Honeybunchesofgoats" (honeybunche0fgoats)
02/07/2017 at 12:09, STARS: 1
My feelings exactly. It makes me want to scream.
"TheRealBicycleBuck" (therealbicyclebuck)
02/07/2017 at 12:19, STARS: 1
Your question wass without context which is extremely important when discussing dimensions. Orientation and the type of object being described make a difference in how it is described.
If it were the side of a cabinet, then height, depth and thickness would be appropriate. If it were the bottom of the cabinet, length/depth, width, and thickness would be appropriate. If it were something else.... who knows?
I’m accustomed to using coordinates in reference to the world, so I think in eastings, northings, and heights. These change depending on the reference frame, so in one coordinate system, they might be latitude, longitude, and elevation, but in another they are eastings and northings. Elevations may be from a reference datum, a geoid, or perhaps the center of the earth.
Defining the reference datum and all conversions is critical to accurately mapping locations on the Earth.
"wkiernan" (wkiernan)
02/07/2017 at 12:58, STARS: 1
Are you suggesting that land surveyors should use metric? While it’s true that all modern geodetic surveying is done in metric, the fact remains that virtually all the distances in the billions of deeds, plats and boundary surveys in all the public records of all the thousands of counties in the U.S.A. are in feet, and virtually all the angles and bearings in those documents are in degrees-minutes-seconds - sexagesimal (base 60) units.
"Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer" (smallbear94)
02/07/2017 at 13:02, STARS: 0
As far as angles and bearings, continue as they are. Base 60 is actually in many ways superior to decimal anyways. But yeah, I’m suggesting that other measurements be taken in metric. The distances are great enough that meters can be used effectively.
"wkiernan" (wkiernan)
02/07/2017 at 13:16, STARS: 1
Except then you have to redo all the maps in the whole country!
"Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer" (smallbear94)
02/07/2017 at 13:20, STARS: 0
Frankly that’s your fault for leaving it too late. But that’s not exactly what I meant. What I’m saying is, in general terms, Imperial is more useful for construction but everything else should be metric.
As far as switching over goes... well you’ve either got to bite the bullet and get it over with, or give it up. Half measures generally just cloud things more.
" The Compromiser" (charger)
02/07/2017 at 20:57, STARS: 0
Span, girth and twain?
"Highlander-Datsuns are Forever" (jamesbowland)
02/08/2017 at 18:47, STARS: 1
Length x Width X height(thickness). So its biggest units first to smallest units last.
"Honeybunchesofgoats" (honeybunche0fgoats)
02/08/2017 at 18:49, STARS: 0
Totally agreed on the order, but I’m not sure why you’d use height at all instead of thickness.