by "PatBateman" (PatBateman)
Published 02/02/2017 at 19:45
by "PatBateman" (PatBateman)
Published 02/02/2017 at 19:45
Tags: Challenger Demon
STARS: 2
Watching and waiting for this car’s details to roll out has been excruciating, hasn’t it? A hint here, a cryptic license plate there... Come down the rabbit hole with me for a second, as I might have cracked this engine enigma.
The first big hint about what this car’s potentially massive power plant (more on this in a bit) can put out is the license plate in the picture above. “#2576@35"?! Is someone smoking crack in FCA’s Marketing Department?! I say “NAY”! That first symbol is not a hashtag for Twitter buzz, but actually a pound sign (what us “olds” used to call it). “2576" is a bit tougher, but if you add the first two numbers together and combine it with the third and fourth number, you get “776". “@35" I am assuming is “at 3,500 RPM”. That gets me to “776 POUND (like that hashtag thingy indicates) foot of torque @ 3,500 RPM”.
But doesn’t that seem like an extremely low RPM for peak torque? The only kind of IC engine that would produce this kind of power so low in the RPM band is a REALLY big engine.
And then this hint dropped today:
What does this mean? Does it mean anything? A serial number “0757"? Is that horsepower?
I don’t believe it’s horsepower. I believe, instead, it’s the engine’s DISPLACEMENT. I believe that this car has a 7.57 Liter, 462 cubic inch V8 in it.
In 2012, Dodge teased a Charger “Redline” concept car with a modern 426 Hemi engine at the NAIAS. Neat, huh? Wanna see the power band on an Allpar 426 crate engine?
That peak torque comes pretty quick, doesn’t it? Make arrangements to stuff a bit more displacement into it and add, oh, maybe, a supercharger onto it, and what do you get? Maybe 776 lb feet of torque peaking at 3,500 RPM?!?!?!
?!?!?!?!?!?!
The Hellcat 6.2 Liter V8 produces peak torque (650 lb-ft) at 6,000 RPM. A 7.0 Liter 426 Hemi crate engine maxes out torque at around 4,000 RPM. Make a 7.57 Liter Hemi V8 by stroking/boring (just a little bit of bore, as there are already kits to stroke a 6.4 Liter to 440 cubic inches) another engine out, and you have peak torque lower than the 426 Hemi.
What say you, internet? Have I gone insane, or am I onto something here?
"Supreme Chancellor and Glorious Leader SaveTheIntegras" (jegoingout)
02/02/2017 at 19:47, STARS: 7
*carefully reads through your breakdown*
Yep, half life 3 confirmed
"PatBateman" (PatBateman)
02/02/2017 at 19:49, STARS: 0
BOOM.
"nermal" (nermal)
02/02/2017 at 19:51, STARS: 0
I’ll be boring here. It will be the FCA version of the Mustang Cobra Jet or COPO Camero. Basically a factory built drag racing car.
It will be fast, expensive, loud, and not street legal. Mullet and hi-tops not included.
"PatBateman" (PatBateman)
02/02/2017 at 19:52, STARS: 3
It’ll be street legal, otherwise they wouldn’t have bothered with the street legal slicks.
"Spaceball-Two" (spaceball-two)
02/02/2017 at 19:53, STARS: 3
What the fuck is a hash tag?
"bwp240" (bwp240)
02/02/2017 at 19:53, STARS: 1
or it does the quarter mile in 25.76 seconds @ 35 mph.
"PatBateman" (PatBateman)
02/02/2017 at 19:54, STARS: 0
I agree.
"PatBateman" (PatBateman)
02/02/2017 at 19:55, STARS: 2
True. It could come with a Fiat 500 engine instead.
"Takuro Spirit" (takurospirit)
02/02/2017 at 19:56, STARS: 1
The pound sign on your touch tone phone. If you have a rotary phone, press STAR to be connected to someone who gives a damn.
"1111111111111111111111" (aaaaaaaaasssssssaaaasaas)
02/02/2017 at 20:00, STARS: 0
2576 NM at 3500 rpm would be 1266hp.
"Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies" (jordanwphillips)
02/02/2017 at 20:01, STARS: 1
It’s the debut of the TwinAir in America!
"1111111111111111111111" (aaaaaaaaasssssssaaaasaas)
02/02/2017 at 20:02, STARS: 0
That’s pretty close to the VIN.
"Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap" (ddadragon)
02/02/2017 at 20:03, STARS: 1
Good call.
"1111111111111111111111" (aaaaaaaaasssssssaaaasaas)
02/02/2017 at 20:04, STARS: 0
And could be whp.
"DC3 LS, will be perpetually replacing cars until the end of time" (dc3ls-)
02/02/2017 at 20:06, STARS: 0
#BabyBoomerProblems
"PatBateman" (PatBateman)
02/02/2017 at 20:07, STARS: 1
I don’t think that they’d go that batshit. There was already a drag pack Challenger that had close to those numbers, though.
"PatBateman" (PatBateman)
02/02/2017 at 20:08, STARS: 0
We’ll see.
"1111111111111111111111" (aaaaaaaaasssssssaaaasaas)
02/02/2017 at 20:11, STARS: 0
Well that’s my prediction!
"John Norris (AngryDrifter)" (angrydrifter)
02/02/2017 at 20:12, STARS: 2
... but if you add the first two numbers together ...
No.
Have I gone insane, ... ?
Yes.
But please keep working on it.
"yamahog" (yamahog)
02/02/2017 at 20:12, STARS: 1
The #2576@35 is the load rating per tire at 35psi.
"PatBateman" (PatBateman)
02/02/2017 at 20:12, STARS: 0
Using Neuton Meters doesn’t sound very American to me. But you could be right. Who know?
"DC3 LS, will be perpetually replacing cars until the end of time" (dc3ls-)
02/02/2017 at 20:14, STARS: 1
I like this one theory for the license plate that someone on FP came up with, granted it’s pretty much shot down now that we now it’s RWD. So 2,576 is the torque at the wheels in first gear at 35
wheel
rpm. Idk, but maybe those are metrics they use in drag racing maybe? The same guy said the Hellcat had over 4,000 torques at that wheel rpm, but if it was AWD it would make since wheel torque would be halved.
I think there’s still an insty tintsy chance (not really) that since it’s a drag car they made the gear ratios twice as tall for less shifting and so that could have a very sturdy 4 spd instead of a 6 speed!
I’ll bet a dollar on my theory. So if I win I’ll still make a nice profit because the odds are heavily against it!
"1111111111111111111111" (aaaaaaaaasssssssaaaasaas)
02/02/2017 at 20:17, STARS: 1
It’s what engineers would use...
"PatBateman" (PatBateman)
02/02/2017 at 20:18, STARS: 1
“Yes”.
I resemble that remark.
"PatBateman" (PatBateman)
02/02/2017 at 20:23, STARS: 0
The load rating on the Nitto 315 40R18 NTO5 tires is 1,874 pounds at 44 PSI (the suggested PSI).
So... maybe?
ETA: Nope.
https://www.nittotire.com/media/152949/TechBulletin_NTSD-12-005.pdf
"kanadanmajava1" (kanadanmajava1)
02/02/2017 at 20:24, STARS: 1
I have couple of theories too.
First: On February 5th 76 years ago (in 1941), The Royal Air Force bombed Düsseldorf, killing 35.
Second: On 2nd May 1976 there was Winston 500 race, in where Buddy Baker (Ford) took the victory from Cale Yarborough (Chevrolet) with 35 second margin.
My theories are pretty promising, but not very much related to the new Dodge.
"PatBateman" (PatBateman)
02/02/2017 at 20:27, STARS: 0
MMMMMMMMaybe. We’re all reaching here, so odds are we’re all wrong.
"PatBateman" (PatBateman)
02/02/2017 at 20:28, STARS: 0
Engineers, yes. Marketing folk, no.
"PotbellyJoe and 42 others" (potbellyjoe)
02/02/2017 at 20:34, STARS: 0
But what does Todd Coddington have to do with all of this?
"crowmolly" (crowmolly)
02/02/2017 at 20:36, STARS: 0
Although they are not slicks.
"PatBateman" (PatBateman)
02/02/2017 at 20:38, STARS: 0
“D.O.T.-Approved Drag Radials”.
"Gone" (goneforever1234567890)
02/02/2017 at 20:56, STARS: 0
Guesses...
2576 = blower size in cc ~2.6L (Hellcat is a 2.4L)
35psia = ~20.3psig (HC is 11.6psi)
757tq, not hp. Only because if the above is true, that much more boost and larger blower should produce much more than 50hp. Also, because the race fuel switch...
Rumor it ships with skinnies in the trunk. Or may be an option.
"Spaceball-Two" (spaceball-two)
02/02/2017 at 22:10, STARS: 2
The young lass at the switch board is a real sassy mouth.
"Spaceball-Two" (spaceball-two)
02/02/2017 at 22:11, STARS: 0
Hey I’m not THAT old!
"shop-teacher" (shop-teacher)
02/02/2017 at 22:18, STARS: 0
I like where you’re head is at here.
"shop-teacher" (shop-teacher)
02/02/2017 at 22:19, STARS: 0
Not necessarily. Some racing classes require DOT approved tires, even though competitive cars would never ever be on the street.
"PatBateman" (PatBateman)
02/03/2017 at 02:00, STARS: 1
We’ll see if I’m right.
"hike" (hike15)
02/03/2017 at 07:34, STARS: 0
I think I missed the RWD confirmation. The only reason I have to believe it’s rwd is that FCA can’t fit the hemi, 8 speed, and awd under the LX chassis. Unless it fits with only the 6 speed, which seems unlikely since they’ve never done a manual with awd.
"DC3 LS, will be perpetually replacing cars until the end of time" (dc3ls-)
02/03/2017 at 15:14, STARS: 0
They released a video showing it comes with a set of drag skinnies for the front. The theory is that it has the Nittos up front for braking tests and then you put the skinnies on at the strip.
"hike" (hike15)
02/03/2017 at 15:17, STARS: 1
The other thought is that it can be set up for road racing as well, which of course makes the wide front tires more useful.