by "BiTurbo228 - Dr Frankenstein of Spitfires" (biturbo228)
Published 02/02/2017 at 10:18
by "BiTurbo228 - Dr Frankenstein of Spitfires" (biturbo228)
Published 02/02/2017 at 10:18
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See what it is?
Yeah. This farm vehicle from the 1950s predates the use of the engine as a stressed member in F1 by roughly a decade :)
Neat!
"ceanderson920" (ceanderson9290)
02/02/2017 at 10:29, STARS: 1
Our JD from 47' is the same way. As much as I have operated and worked on it I have never really realized it was like that!
"RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht" (ramblininexile)
02/02/2017 at 10:30, STARS: 1
‘twas a much more common thing, back before mounts were considered to be a good idea. More held over on tractors than innovated there, as such. The old International Harvester Farmall Cubs are interesting in this regard - they’ve got a stressed-member engine and trans *and* have a casting attached to the front of the engine to mount the wheels which is hollow in top. That’s right, it’s the bottom of the radiator.
Most tractors are, I believe, still stressed-member-engine to a point. I know my dad’s Japanese-made Deere and old Satoh both were.
I believe even the Ruxton, the old American FWD car of the 20s was a partially stressed-member engine - I know it had direct mounting of the suspension to the trans. It was a big thing back when Chrysler introduced its “floating power” arrangement of a big soft mount under the trans and another under the engine nose - no more rattling from the engine straight through the frame!
"Rock Bottom" (rockbottom81)
02/02/2017 at 10:52, STARS: 1
Our 1949 Ford 8N uses the engine, transmission, and rear axle housing as stressed members.
"Chinny Raccoon" (chinnyraccoon)
02/02/2017 at 11:01, STARS: 1
The only non stressed ones I can think of are the non conventional articulated type and Fastracs. Everything that looks like a tractor still uses the classic design.
"RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht" (ramblininexile)
02/02/2017 at 11:08, STARS: 0
I can think of a couple, particularly mini-tractors, that have chassis beams next to the engine, but that’s always part of the support for other things. They’re never frame beams for a non-stressed engine.
"TheTurbochargedSquirrel" (thatsquirrel)
02/02/2017 at 11:29, STARS: 1
Look at that turbo!
"If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent" (essextee)
02/02/2017 at 11:56, STARS: 0
Makes sense, seeing as how the earliest tractors were just boilers with wheels bolted to the front. Eventually the powerplant changed but the construction stayed the same.
"RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht" (ramblininexile)
02/02/2017 at 12:11, STARS: 2
Which, if you consider the parallel evolution of railway engines is actually kind of interesting, because they almost universally have a frame. It seems almost to point to a pivotal point in history - one early tractor builder who gave zero fucks and did it that way, setting the course for the whole industry to come.
"functionoverfashion" (functionoverfashion)
02/02/2017 at 12:13, STARS: 1
My parents still have a working Farmall Cub and an old Satoh, both are used regularly on their property in the summer.
"functionoverfashion" (functionoverfashion)
02/02/2017 at 12:13, STARS: 0
lol, I was going to say, “hmm, there’s a turbo?”
"Stephenson Valve Gear" (stephensonvalvegear)
02/02/2017 at 16:23, STARS: 0
I was fixated on the fact that the original generator has been replaced by what appears to be a GM alternator. That is actually a very common swap to make in our area; the alternators are cheap and readily available. Plus, for those who abhor any kind of wiring, there are always the aftermarket one wire alternators! One wire to the battery and you are good to go!
"BiTurbo228 - Dr Frankenstein of Spitfires" (biturbo228)
02/03/2017 at 07:37, STARS: 0
Haha now that’s simplifying :) perhaps not so much the adding lightness part, but certainly simple :)
I wonder what took F1 so long to cotton on... ;)
"BiTurbo228 - Dr Frankenstein of Spitfires" (biturbo228)
02/03/2017 at 07:38, STARS: 0
That is an odd quirk of divergent evolution...
Neat :)
"BiTurbo228 - Dr Frankenstein of Spitfires" (biturbo228)
02/03/2017 at 07:41, STARS: 1
Yeah it’s been converted to negative earth, although it’s a Lucas alternator rather than a GM one.
Actually, the whole wiring on it is frankly terrifying. It’s a hodgepodge mix of twisted together cables, cobbled together from presumably whatever the previous owned had lying around. We’ve managed to identify jump cables, household wiring and what looks suspiciously like bits of coat-hangar in the mix...
"Stephenson Valve Gear" (stephensonvalvegear)
02/03/2017 at 10:37, STARS: 1
I can imagine. I’ve seen some horrifying wiring on old tractors, although it sounds like yours is possibly the creme de la creme of terrible wiring!
I don’t miss positive ground, 6 volt electrics of any sort. ...and then there were the 8 volt batteries that were a band-aid to try to perk up those sluggish 6 volt starters! Not to mention old electro-mechanical voltage regulators. There is a lot to be said for 12 volt, negative ground conversions... if they are properly wired, not rigged up with coat-hangers, of course!
"BiTurbo228 - Dr Frankenstein of Spitfires" (biturbo228)
02/03/2017 at 10:51, STARS: 1
Yeah that does sound like a pain in the arse! Much though modern electronics is witchcraft to me, I can’t doubt its results.
Shockingly the thing actually works despite all the cobbled together stuff! They have managed to produce an electrical drain on a vehicle with pretty much zero electronics beyond a starter, some glow plugs and a light or two though which is nothing short of impressive...