by "Groagun" (groagun)
Published 02/01/2017 at 18:29
by "Groagun" (groagun)
Published 02/01/2017 at 18:29
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Is Donald John Trump the modern interpretation of Ronald Reagan?
Yes, in many regards.
So what do I think of Reagan: well this post may be of light to that subject OPPOolitics 4: The 4 Horsemen of the Apocalypse
Yeah, I am no fan of his, neither man actually and this blog started with the uttering of a phrase out loud to describe Trump today after reading this: Foxtrot Alpha: F-35 ‘A Great’ plane now, thanks to President Trump
I read this article and just steamed at the seeming bold faced lie and arrogance of such a man to make such a claim and it reminded me of this incident: Nov 5/1979 NYT - Iran Hostage Incident
For those of you too young to remember or haven’t been taught in school yet, and to those too old that you have forgotten, the Iranian hostage incident took place on November 4, 1979 and wasn’t resolved until January 20, 1981. Coincidentally the very day Ronald Reagan was sworn in.
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Reagan did nothing to release those hostages and while you may not have liked President Carter and even blamed him, he is the one that did the work and sacrificed to save them. To make matters worse, there are credible, yes credible, beliefs that Reagan influenced and orchestrated the release date and timing. 7 Things About Regan You Won’t Hear at the Regan Library GOP Debate
Those 7 things in the article above include for me what is number 1 on the list of things to hate about Reagan. I’ve written about his campaign launching in Philadelphia Mississippi in that earlier post I inserted above, OPPOolotics 4, and that has set the tone for conservatism and the Republican party ever since.
Reagan was not the first politician or Republican to let the white supremacist movement into his bed but he took it to a whole new level and did it with with eyes wide open.
This is a photo released by the FBI of the bodies of James Chaney, Andrew Goodman and Michael ‘Mickey’ Schwerner.
So what has Trump done in that same vein? Well nothing as egregious as Reagan’s Philadelphia Mississippi speech but for me, his statements towards the Service men and women of America are it for me.
His comments towards Sen McCain and the Kahn family,
a Gold Star Family
, and a barrage of off the cuff and disparaging comments towards Service and security personnel in general have sealed his fate with me.
The thing that binds the two men together though aren’t the particular or specific incidents, it’s the attitude and practice of lying, bullshitting and the outright theft of thought, rightful and earned possession of the truth and the, at least daily with Trump, claiming of spoils produced by other peoples work. That righteous indignation and arrogance to claim the benefits obtained by the work of others.
All politicians and CEO’s and the like do this on a daily basis and it always bugs me. A President should be above that all and better than all. By absolutely no means is Trump in that space or can ever be. He simply tells you what you want to hear and you eat it up, begging for seconds.
Reagan was a master at that. If you can set aside his generally well accepted practice of making Americans feel good about themselves for a moment, there was nothing wrong with that and it was perhaps his best and biggest accomplishment, and objectively look at the numbers.
Reagan was average at best and truth be told, hurt America in the long run. Trickle down economics, ‘Reaganomics’ is a tired and broken system that simply didn’t and doesn’t work.
Now we have Trump: bringing all those old ideas and practices back to life. Really? I mean really?
Please my American friends, think long and hard about your choices moving forward. DO NOT FORGET THE PAST! Learn from it and don’t be afraid to call out the BS when you hear and see it.
Honesty hurts sometimes but I swear to you, you’ll be forever grateful that you were honest and true: not just with others but especially with yourself.
So yes, Reagan was a charlatan and today, not for the first time, I yelled out loud that Trump was just like Reagan, a charlatan!
"jkm7680" (jkm7680)
02/01/2017 at 18:34, STARS: 2
Ok, now it’s time for you to calm down with this.
Pictures of dead bodies definitely don’t belong here.
"HammerheadFistpunch" (hammerheadfistpunch)
02/01/2017 at 18:34, STARS: 3
http://oppositelock.kinja.com/political-post-reminder-1791883834
"ttyymmnn" (ttyymmnn)
02/01/2017 at 18:40, STARS: 0
I don’t have a problem with the photo per se, as long as there is context for it. However, I do fail to see how it relates to this post, which I haven’t read yet in its entirety. Though I plan to.
"Your boy, BJR" (jerseyshoreben)
02/01/2017 at 18:51, STARS: 1
Trump’s worse.
It MIGHT be too early to say that, but they say the first 100 days set the tone for the presidency, and these 100 days look pretty bad for the next however many years Trump lives. (If he doesn’t resign in the first 4 years, I’m calling it, he’ll give being president for life a whirl.)
"wiffleballtony" (wiffleballtony)
02/01/2017 at 19:00, STARS: 3
Is Trump the modern Reagan (not Regan)? The answer is absolutely not. All politicians take credit for other people’s work. In that aspect Trump is like all politicians. Reagan policies and Trump’s proposed policies are very far apart.
"Sovereign, Purveyor of Coupes" (sovereign-automotive)
02/01/2017 at 19:11, STARS: 2
Unfortunately it doesn’t have much context in the article. Just as a “visual” of how Reagan and Trump were/are in bed with white supremacists, in the words of the OP.
"Groagun" (groagun)
02/01/2017 at 19:11, STARS: 1
Thanks for this, I always drop the damn ‘a’ in his name. I’ll correct now.
"fintail" (fintail)
02/01/2017 at 19:20, STARS: 2
Reagan at least had a grandfatherly positive tone early in his career. Trump just makes me shake my head when that little yap starts making noise.
"ttyymmnn" (ttyymmnn)
02/01/2017 at 19:23, STARS: 4
I will say that I find myself somewhat nostalgic for the Reagan era, even though I’m a lifelong Democrat. I think that speaks volumes.
"TheHondaBro" (wwaveform)
02/01/2017 at 19:24, STARS: 4
Someone said that Trump is Nixon without the skill.
"ttyymmnn" (ttyymmnn)
02/01/2017 at 19:33, STARS: 1
He was Presidential. He knew how to get what he wanted without being a whiny asshole about it. Trump has absolutely no class. I was not a Reagan supporter, but I find myself longing for the Reagan era. Plus, the 80s were pretty cool.
"Eric @ opposite-lock.com" (theyrerolling)
02/01/2017 at 19:35, STARS: 5
Trump is nothing like Reagan. If you’re disgusted by the things you claim to dislike about Reagan, you should have hated Obama considering the widespread parallels between their administrations.
The thing is: Trump is pretty oddball in the context of history. Nobody really looks like a proper prototype. However, I have identified some similarities...
FDR - Trump’s tweeting is the 21st century equivalent of FDR’s fireside chats; both early adopters of technology, especially for their age groups. Both wealthy, isolationists, populists, protectionists (tariffs), socialists, and used (or plan to) infrastructure projects to put the unemployed to work. FDR was deeply loved by much of the US for generations even though much of what he did was fought fiercely in the courts and/or was clearly unconstitutional (and much was later repealed for FDR, as I suspect will be with Trump).
JFK - Similar in that they’re both socialists and used their celebrity effectively to win an election against a much more politically-savvy opponent by the skin of his teeth. Both wealthy and radically departing from the status quo of their predecessors. Both ideologues with unwavering loyalty of their supporters.
Few others have parallels that aren’t fairly common to presidents in general, as you have pointed out...
"vondon302" (vondon302)
02/01/2017 at 19:41, STARS: 0
No
"wiffleballtony" (wiffleballtony)
02/01/2017 at 19:43, STARS: 4
That’s almost unfair to Nixon.
"Leadbull" (leadbull911)
02/01/2017 at 19:49, STARS: 3
I’m sure Reagan is rolling in his grave over the fact that a GOP president has been overtly brown nosing an ex-KGB agent Russian president.
"fintail" (fintail)
02/01/2017 at 19:51, STARS: 3
Good points. Reagan was an adult. Orangey won’t fool anyone. Maybe my 80s nostalgia gives Reagan a rosy tint, too.
Hell, this isn’t far off (too bad Cheney is lurking):
"Sweet Trav" (thespunbearing)
02/01/2017 at 19:52, STARS: 0
Ronald Reagan was an utter shit president. I only wish Hinckley would have been a better shot.
"Sovereign, Purveyor of Coupes" (sovereign-automotive)
02/01/2017 at 20:02, STARS: 3
I think, like with every other president, he made some good decisions, and some really poor ones.
"nermal" (nermal)
02/01/2017 at 20:05, STARS: 4
Kinda like how Obama “got” the bin-Laden guy.
The “hunt” for him was absolutely started with the Bush administration, it just took a while.
"ttyymmnn" (ttyymmnn)
02/01/2017 at 20:14, STARS: 3
I think he was also the right president for the time. And that “It’s morning again in America” ad campaign was brilliant.
"ttyymmnn" (ttyymmnn)
02/01/2017 at 20:18, STARS: 2
I lived through 5 more years of him as Governor Bush in Texas. I’m not terribly nostalgic about Dubya. He wasn’t the brightest bulb, but he wasn’t insane, either.
"Groagun" (groagun)
02/01/2017 at 20:22, STARS: 0
Yes and to be completely fair to my conservative friends, both Bush and Obama cleaned up the mess that Clinton didn’t and had the chance to.
"wiffleballtony" (wiffleballtony)
02/01/2017 at 20:27, STARS: 0
That’s almost unfair to Nixon.
"fintail" (fintail)
02/01/2017 at 20:51, STARS: 0
Yep there’s a difference between not being an intellectual giant, and being dangerous.
"Joe6pack" (joe6pack)
02/01/2017 at 23:21, STARS: 0
Reagan was a great president. When our marines were attacked in Beirut, Reagan simply packed up and went home realizing this wasn’t our fight. Wish a few more presidents had this much sense.
"Eric @ opposite-lock.com" (theyrerolling)
02/02/2017 at 12:27, STARS: 0
But Shrub & Obama both started and expanded the military involvement in the middle east.
It’s funny in a way because I thought Shrub would be a fairly benign 1-term president like his father, then I thought Obama would be a fairly benign 1-term president as well (and I even had some hope that his administration might actually keep the campaign promises and bring our troops home). Obama then made history by being the first two-term president to have the US involved in a war for every single day of their administration .
"Eric @ opposite-lock.com" (theyrerolling)
02/02/2017 at 13:56, STARS: 0
I don’t see Trump as actively dangerous yet, contrary to the way he’s portrayed by the media. His platform was one of isolationism and mostly anti-war. It’s hard to predict, though - Obama’s administration turned into warmongers in spite of Obama running on a platform of winding-down and bringing troops home...
"Eric @ opposite-lock.com" (theyrerolling)
02/02/2017 at 14:07, STARS: 0
On that front, I’m hoping that Trump is similar. I don’t understand why we’re fighting every else’s wars.
"fintail" (fintail)
02/02/2017 at 14:51, STARS: 0
I think Trumpy is more dangerous in a trade war ideal than a real war ideal - at least so far. I don’t see him bringing him any troops, however. The Praetorian sector owns every party and every regime.
"Groagun" (groagun)
02/02/2017 at 21:17, STARS: 0
I wish life and governing were that simple: it is sad to note that about Obama. While I was no fan of Pres. Bush(W) I still believe that at his core he is a decent man and his mistake was trying to be something and more than he was/is. That and he surrounded himself with characters right out of the ‘Offical Bad Guys Handbook & Directory’.
"gmporschenut also a fan of hondas" (gmporschenut)
02/05/2017 at 19:07, STARS: 0
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My grandfather was a staunch republican yet friends with Tipp. Though they dissagreed on many issues would meet up after he gave up politics.
I think the biggest loser and one most unbecoming of trump is his near constant attacks on others that don’t disagree with him. (also why clintons deplorables may go down as one of the biggest gaffs of the last 50 years)
I was reading a book on churchill Warlord and one point that stuck out was, churchhill made a lot of bad decisions in 1940, but he motivated to get people moving and energized the war department. what makes a leader is what they inspire in others. From the campaign to today i don’t see any positive inspiration.
"Groagun" (groagun)
02/06/2017 at 16:38, STARS: 0
For as much as i don’t like Reagan, I did say his greatest attribute was in making Americans feel good about themselves. Where he failed was in actually delivering the good times and his demeaning and demoralizing attitude towards those on the other side.
It is one thing to disagree with someone. but to villify and make an enemy out of those that have a different opinion is another thing all together.
If you weren’t a conservative or republican like him, you were an enemy to America. Your neighbor, brother/sister or simply any other American that didn’t think like him/them was an enemy, was killing America or taking it away from them.
That is how we live today: two separate sides, neither happy unless they have total control and the other side is completely eliminated from the equation. An us or them system where compromise is viewed as a loss.
"LongbowMkII" (longbowmkii)
02/21/2017 at 13:53, STARS: 0
Churchill was, objectively, a BAD politician. He fucked up royal in WWI and was on the fringes until WW2, when his rightful opposition to the nazis during the 30's paid off when neville resigned. His second term as PM in the 50's wasn’t very positive thanks to colonial volatility which was responded with varying degrees of military action and a slow economic recovery.
"LongbowMkII" (longbowmkii)
02/21/2017 at 13:54, STARS: 1
I wonder what would happen if we just quit bombing the middle east for a few years.
"Eric @ opposite-lock.com" (theyrerolling)
02/21/2017 at 18:04, STARS: 0
I’d like to see a lot more. Pull back troop deployment from just about everywhere. Cut the numbers of stationed staff outside the US, fight the UN and NATO when they want to deploy military forces, etc.
Let’s just focus on minimizing conflict worldwide. Realistically, the only place we have any business being directly involved is working with Mexico to fight their drug cartels and along the border to reduce illegal immigration. Nothing else is a direct threat to us and therefore we should not intervene.
"gmporschenut also a fan of hondas" (gmporschenut)
02/22/2017 at 00:25, STARS: 0
the best thing churchill did was the get the admiralty to stop playing golf and move their ass.