by "Decay buys too many beaters" (decay)
Published 01/30/2017 at 18:34
by "Decay buys too many beaters" (decay)
Published 01/30/2017 at 18:34
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Good god, didn’t realize these were so fat.
"jkm7680" (jkm7680)
01/30/2017 at 18:36, STARS: 0
The front tire gap is throwing me off a bit.
"Decay buys too many beaters" (decay)
01/30/2017 at 18:37, STARS: 0
Suspension probably hasn’t settled after lifting it onto the scales. Or at least I hope that is it.
"K-Roll-PorscheTamer" (k-roll390)
01/30/2017 at 18:38, STARS: 1
How light did you think it was?!?
"haveacarortwoorthree2" (haveacarortwoorthree2)
01/30/2017 at 18:38, STARS: 2
It’s not fat. Just big-boned!
"jkm7680" (jkm7680)
01/30/2017 at 18:38, STARS: 1
Could it still have transport blocks in?
"Decay buys too many beaters" (decay)
01/30/2017 at 18:39, STARS: 0
I assumed being the “track version” it would be punching in the high 35xx bracket. This is heavier than a GTPP
"HammerheadFistpunch" (hammerheadfistpunch)
01/30/2017 at 18:39, STARS: 1
is 3800 lbs all that heavy? I mean its not light but its a lot of car too.
"Decay buys too many beaters" (decay)
01/30/2017 at 18:41, STARS: 0
Maybe not in todaycarspeak, but for me that is massive.
"Decay buys too many beaters" (decay)
01/30/2017 at 18:42, STARS: 1
Vorshlag is usually really good about doing their weigh ins, I doubt it
"Decay buys too many beaters" (decay)
01/30/2017 at 18:43, STARS: 0
Crap you’re right, I should stop fat shaming the mustang.
I’m sorry mustang, my comments were thoughtless and hurtful.
"Future next gen S2000 owner" (future-next-gen-s2000-owner)
01/30/2017 at 18:43, STARS: 0
Yep, that platform is a bit tubby. Still a great ride and a pretty face.
"HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles" (hondasfordsvolvo)
01/30/2017 at 18:43, STARS: 1
Still about 4 adult Americans less than a Chalenger
That means you could put a person ineach seat and still weigh less than an empty Mopar.
"Decay buys too many beaters" (decay)
01/30/2017 at 18:43, STARS: 1
Still about a miata more than my miata.
"If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent" (essextee)
01/30/2017 at 18:44, STARS: 0
It’s 500lbs heavier than my 4 door luxury sedan.
"HammerheadFistpunch" (hammerheadfistpunch)
01/30/2017 at 18:45, STARS: 0
from what year?
"vondon302" (vondon302)
01/30/2017 at 18:45, STARS: 1
Wow and I thought my Boss was fat.
3480 06 Gt in background is 3402
"Decay buys too many beaters" (decay)
01/30/2017 at 18:45, STARS: 0
I thought the GT I rented felt heavy, I was holding out hope that this would be lighter. It’s not the grip or the chassis stiffness, that all can be engineered out of a heavy car, it’s the speed at which it rotates and transfers the weight. You can’t hide it there.
"Decay buys too many beaters" (decay)
01/30/2017 at 18:49, STARS: 1
Remember when all the magazines were claiming a 200lb weight reduction?
I’ve been saying for a long time, all I want is a 3100-3200lb mustang with a coyote and a mechanical lsd. That would get me to go out and buy a new car (which I promised myself I’d never do again)
"If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent" (essextee)
01/30/2017 at 18:49, STARS: 1
2000. But that Mustang weighs the same as the modern version of my car, whereas in 2000 the ‘Stang was 260lbs lighter. The Mustang has bloated much more than it should have.
"HammerheadFistpunch" (hammerheadfistpunch)
01/30/2017 at 18:50, STARS: 2
BWMs getting lighter, mustang getting more well built. time is a flat circle.
"HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles" (hondasfordsvolvo)
01/30/2017 at 18:51, STARS: 1
And about 4 Miatas in HP.
"sm70- why not Duesenberg?" (sm70-whynotduesenberg)
01/30/2017 at 18:52, STARS: 0
An ‘88 BMW 325i is a 4-door luxury sedan. Could you be more specific?
"Decay buys too many beaters" (decay)
01/30/2017 at 18:53, STARS: 3
It’s far cheaper and easier to add power than lose weight.
"vondon302" (vondon302)
01/30/2017 at 18:53, STARS: 1
I hear ya. Unfortunately 3200lbs is focus st territory.
"sm70- why not Duesenberg?" (sm70-whynotduesenberg)
01/30/2017 at 18:53, STARS: 1
I mean, it’s really not that heavy by modern car standards unless you are comparing it to (and please don’t think I’m being a smartass here because I’m not trying to be) a 20 year old Miata without a hood.
"K-Roll-PorscheTamer" (k-roll390)
01/30/2017 at 18:54, STARS: 0
That car would probably cost more than the current one in spades...
"If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent" (essextee)
01/30/2017 at 18:54, STARS: 0
http://oppositelock.kinja.com/2000-but-that-mustang-weighs-the-same-as-the-modern-ve-1791799963
"DasWauto" (DasWauto)
01/30/2017 at 18:56, STARS: 0
Closer to 300lbs according to some googling. Still somewhat surprising, just a bit less so.
Really hope the next gen Mustang loses some weight like the Camaro has. I think it was a big mistake for Ford to let the current car get so heavy with the addition of IRS.
"If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent" (essextee)
01/30/2017 at 18:56, STARS: 0
Weight = build quality?
"Vicente Esteve" (vicente-esteve)
01/30/2017 at 18:57, STARS: 1
Don’t care, Voodoo.
"Decay buys too many beaters" (decay)
01/30/2017 at 18:57, STARS: 0
I am comparing it mostly to my FR-S without rear seats or spare tire at 273x lb with a full tank and driver), but yeah it also doesn’t hold up well to my 20 year old hoodless miata either.
"HammerheadFistpunch" (hammerheadfistpunch)
01/30/2017 at 18:57, STARS: 0
It can. I mean that the mustang is only getting to be less and less of a pony car and more and more of a sports car. That seriousness requires some extra beef to cope with all them forces while still being safe.
"K-Roll-PorscheTamer" (k-roll390)
01/30/2017 at 18:58, STARS: 0
Where exactly did you expect them to remove the weight from and still maintain the relatively decent price? It could’ve maybe hit that weight if it weren’t for the IRS (one of the main reasons for weight gain from the previous gen). But Ford could probably go even further and make the hood, doors, rear trunk, and some other parts/pieces out of carbon fiber; but the price of the car would go up considerably.
Also, I don’t think it’s heavier than a GTPP. That, I cannot believe. Maybe as heavy or a little bit lighter, but not heavier.
"Decay buys too many beaters" (decay)
01/30/2017 at 18:59, STARS: 1
But if I believe hard enough it will magic into existence by willpower alone.
"If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent" (essextee)
01/30/2017 at 19:00, STARS: 1
That was a typo on my part, too late to edit now :(
"sm70- why not Duesenberg?" (sm70-whynotduesenberg)
01/30/2017 at 19:01, STARS: 1
I guess my thinking is that, if the curb weight of the car shocks you, you might’ve been looking in the wrong class of car to begin with. That being said, my understanding is that the all-new Camaro is much svelter than the car it replaces and an SS does fall right around the 3500 pound mark.
"Decay buys too many beaters" (decay)
01/30/2017 at 19:03, STARS: 0
Same shop weighed a GTpp at 3650 with no fuel
http://www.vorshlag.com/blog/?p=960
"Decay buys too many beaters" (decay)
01/30/2017 at 19:03, STARS: 0
Buy voodoo, put in lighter chassis, win.
"Decay buys too many beaters" (decay)
01/30/2017 at 19:05, STARS: 1
It’s ok, they could just cut out the bastard* markups and still offer it at the current price.
*I’ve decided to start using the word bastard interchangeably with dealer in hopes that it will catch on.
"Decay buys too many beaters" (decay)
01/30/2017 at 19:08, STARS: 4
Haven’t had the chance to really drive the SS in anger, but the visibility was a non starter for me. How do I hit an apex if I lose sight of it 50 yards out?
Guess the solution really is to just spend the extra 10K and boost the Scion.
"Censored" (chrisbrown2992)
01/30/2017 at 19:45, STARS: 0
Curb weight full tank of gas (what is said to be in the picture)
Mustangs have a 16 gal tank * 6.2 lbs/gal = 99.2 lbs.
They are still bloated, but not as bad as it first seems and you have to take into account just how much more ridged modern chassis are.
"Joe6pack" (joe6pack)
01/30/2017 at 19:51, STARS: 1
I hear you. I am a light car guy myself. My current plaything is a 1987 Porsche 944. But, here’s the thing. You can’t have all that horsepower and performance and not add significant weight - unless you go carbon fiber tub ala Ferrari, Alfa Romeo, etc. which adds serious coin as well. Yes, a 944 or a Miata or BRZ weigh less, but they do a lot less. Put that kind of power in one of the above and you will rip it to shreds. Perfect example is the 1987-1989 Porsche 911 Carrera. Porsche finally had to replace the 915 transmission with the G50 as the 915 could no longer handle the torque. This also resulted in around a 50 lb weight gain. The sway bars have to get bigger, the brakes have to get bigger, etc., etc. You are chasing your tail.
I’m not saying all of the weight gain in modern cars is performance oriented. A lot of it is safety nannies. The horsepower numbers these days are pretty astonishing. As an example, when I was in high school, a Corvette only had 230-240 horsepower. A 2017 Camry can have up to 268.
I’m beginning to come to grip with the weight thing. It’s taken awhile, but I think we have to realize that for Subaru to endow the BRZ with 250 hp from the factory, it will have to get fatter. Which will in turn take away some of that BRZness.
"Bytemite" (bytemite)
01/30/2017 at 19:53, STARS: 1
How do I hit an apex if I lose sight of it 50 yards out?
LOL I had a good laugh. I miss the 90s cowls where we could see the ends of our cars. Pretty much anything after 2004 has that tall hood profile that ruins front corner visibility.
"03mach1 - Now has a Fiesta ST" (03mach1)
01/30/2017 at 19:57, STARS: 1
It sure doesn’t drive that way. I know that much. The thing is stupid agile and sticks to the road like glue. And it’s very quick. The way the engine pulls is insane. I still want one bad!
"Decay buys too many beaters" (decay)
01/30/2017 at 19:58, STARS: 0
I just wish I could purchase a truly stripped out bare bones machine for just pleasure driving. The weight ad complexity of everything today is driving me more and more away from cars and toward bikes. The silly federal crash and fuel economy (rather than emission) standards really limit what a manufacturer can do and drive up prices to silly levels.
And for reference, you can do a ls2 swap into a BRZ, keep everything working like factory and only add 100 lbs while improving F/R weight bias. This is the pathway I really want to take once it get paved by people with a lot more money to flush away than me.
"Decay buys too many beaters" (decay)
01/30/2017 at 20:00, STARS: 0
It’s one of the things I LOVE about the NA miata, put the headlight on an apex, hit apex.
"Decay buys too many beaters" (decay)
01/30/2017 at 20:02, STARS: 0
I agree, they really can engineer out a lot of weight, but my problem is how the car feels once you start to overcome the tire. There is no way to hide that much weight when it comes to chassis rotation and on grip limit (when cars really start to come alive) weight transfer.
"Bytemite" (bytemite)
01/30/2017 at 20:21, STARS: 1
Yep, I can confirm this is true!
Also, I just read that Jalopnik piece about the 300 lb guy breaking his seat trim. I was really relieved to see most comments were sane and said that it was the guy’s fault for dragging his entire ass across the seat. But then there’s a bunch of comments saying it’s Hyundai’s fault for not designing their cars for 300 lb 5'9" people.
Sigh....this is why all cars are now bloated whales. And small people like me have to look to 25 year old cars for a good seating position.
"Spasoje" (Spasoje)
01/30/2017 at 20:23, STARS: 1
Every new car is fat. If you can’t notice the chassis heft while driving, then it’s fine by me...
"Decay buys too many beaters" (decay)
01/30/2017 at 20:28, STARS: 0
I can, once you overcome tire limits the weight is obvious.
"Decay buys too many beaters" (decay)
01/30/2017 at 20:30, STARS: 1
And seats that offer real support :/
Real glad Subaru/Toyota grew a pair and shipped the US 86 with Japanese sized seats.
"Spasoje" (Spasoje)
01/30/2017 at 20:31, STARS: 0
Don’t the tires on something like a GT350 have very high limits though? (enlighten me if you have the details, genuinely curious)
"Decay buys too many beaters" (decay)
01/30/2017 at 20:36, STARS: 1
They do have much higher limits, but cars become way more fun once things start to slip a bit (for me at least). On a heavy car, the speed it rotates and responds to inputs once you start to get on the edge is very noticeably slower.
Feels too safe and boring when you’re still well within limits.
"Wacko" (wacko--)
01/30/2017 at 20:43, STARS: 0
Buy a sonata, they aren’t made for fatties.
"Bourbon&JellyBeans" (bourbonandjellybeans)
01/30/2017 at 20:44, STARS: 2
Big girls need love too.
"Decay buys too many beaters" (decay)
01/30/2017 at 20:53, STARS: 0
She hides the weight well, but good god man, she’s a track car! She needs to have a little respect for her body and lay off the steel reinforced crash structure a little
"Bytemite" (bytemite)
01/30/2017 at 20:59, STARS: 0
Lol, I’d really be interested in a car smaller than the NA Miata, Elise, and other real small cars. Basically, I want a kei car!
"Vicente Esteve" (vicente-esteve)
01/30/2017 at 21:28, STARS: 1
They could put the Voodo in an Expedition and I’d be happy.
"Decay buys too many beaters" (decay)
01/30/2017 at 21:42, STARS: 0
I have hope that it will end up in the next GT, they wouldn’t design an all new engine and just use it in a tiny bespoke application would they?
"NJAnon" (NJAnon)
01/30/2017 at 22:22, STARS: 2
Most Mustangs in the 2000's were always 3,000lbs+. Supras are heavy too. Doesn’t mean they can’t get good ET’s or get good lap times.
Also the point someone made about having a strong chassis is right because you don’t want to do something you’ll regret by having too much performance in something that can’t handle it;
parts falling off like a Corvette’s differential coming off or bottom end engine components coming off spilling oil all over the place because they werent upgraded above factory. :P
"Discerning" (discerning2003c5z)
01/30/2017 at 23:29, STARS: 2
Then buy the better car and get a C7 Grand Sport.
Boom. Better car and you save over 300 pounds.
"Decay buys too many beaters" (decay)
01/31/2017 at 00:13, STARS: 0
3400 is porky for a 2 seater, C5 z06 type weight with modern engine please.
"Decay buys too many beaters" (decay)
01/31/2017 at 00:16, STARS: 1
Realistically, the car I want is the $80k LS swapped ND from flying Miata. I don’t care about lap times, I don’t care about drag racing. I care about how a car acts when driven hard. You can’t hide weight once the tires start to slip.
"Discerning" (discerning2003c5z)
01/31/2017 at 09:11, STARS: 2
I own a C5 Z06, so I get where you’re coming from. But I’ve driven a C7 and my car back to back and I don’t see how they could get the weight down on the C7 while maintaining how solid and high quality it feels. The C7 already has an aluminum frame.
To get the C7 down to a C5Z weight, you’d have to cut out a lot of sound deadening and fit lighter interior components (dash, seats, etc.). I actually like how solid and quiet the C7 is under normal driving. My C5Z feels like a hunk of junk in comparison (as far as ride quality and interior fit and finish).
I think it’s an acceptable trade off. If you want a lighter car, it’s pretty cheap to add lightening yourself - to a point.
"Vicente Esteve" (vicente-esteve)
01/31/2017 at 09:33, STARS: 1
hope not. This might as well be the best engine Ford has ever produced.
"kiwi_matt" (kiwi_matt)
02/01/2017 at 17:30, STARS: 1
“C5 z06 type weight with modern engine please”
Not possible, not with modern safety standards.
"Decay buys too many beaters" (decay)
02/01/2017 at 17:34, STARS: 0
Bull
What I require is small car/big engine. This could be accomplished by putting a large engine into either the BRZ or ND Miata, both are light, have adequate room for much larger engines, and meet current safety regs.
"NJAnon" (NJAnon)
02/02/2017 at 17:27, STARS: 0
Just don’t set it on fire like that one kid did. :P
"bob and john" (bobandjohn)
02/13/2017 at 23:30, STARS: 0
.....no its not.
$100 sawzall, get cracking.
"Decay buys too many beaters" (decay)
02/13/2017 at 23:32, STARS: 1
Lol, you got me there.