by "DC3 LS, will be perpetually replacing cars until the end of time" (dc3ls-)
Published 01/28/2017 at 20:12
by "DC3 LS, will be perpetually replacing cars until the end of time" (dc3ls-)
Published 01/28/2017 at 20:12
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What are some overrated enthusiasts car’s and why?
Pic of a Miata because I’m sure it’ll come up.
"Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To" (murdersofa)
01/28/2017 at 20:14, STARS: 9
NA Miata. The NB2 is far better.
"dogisbadob" (dogisbadob)
01/28/2017 at 20:22, STARS: 3
Any Audi or VW
"dogisbadob" (dogisbadob)
01/28/2017 at 20:23, STARS: 5
The NA has pop-up headlights. The NB doesn’t :p
"TheHondaBro" (wwaveform)
01/28/2017 at 20:23, STARS: 5
Because $400,000 “Ford”
"TheHondaBro" (wwaveform)
01/28/2017 at 20:23, STARS: 1
Not with that attitude.
"Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies" (jordanwphillips)
01/28/2017 at 20:24, STARS: 2
Volvo 240.
A W123 or E30 or E28 or Camry or Corolla or Daewoo.... You get the picture, would be more interesting. The only thing vaguely enthusiastic about a Volvo 240 is that it’s RWD. The only reliable part of the car is the engine, which is a big part, but only if the electrics running the engine work. We’ve had three bricks, each in better condition than the last, and every one of them required a repair that affected driveability at least once, if not twice, a month. I learned to drift in one. I learned how to do donuts in one. I have all kinds of great childhood memories in one. But it’s a fucking flaming pile of rat shit of a car. I had the last one crushed. Could have saved it, as it was completely rust free, but the feeling of killing a pile of shit was better. It’s not fun unless you pour the amount of money in which it would take to buy a better car in every way. It’s only reliable if you count only engines as being the part of reliability that matters(it’s not). And it’s bland as a cardboard box.
"Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies" (jordanwphillips)
01/28/2017 at 20:28, STARS: 4
Which means the NB has less drag if you need the lights. And it looks better.
"Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo" (thetomselleck)
01/28/2017 at 20:29, STARS: 2
NO
"DC3 LS, will be perpetually replacing cars until the end of time" (dc3ls-)
01/28/2017 at 20:33, STARS: 1
Aww. I want a VW one day :(
"Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies" (jordanwphillips)
01/28/2017 at 20:34, STARS: 3
$400k Ford that’s nearly as fast and quick as $1m McLaren.
"DC3 LS, will be perpetually replacing cars until the end of time" (dc3ls-)
01/28/2017 at 20:35, STARS: 2
Would it be better if it had a Lincoln badge?
"Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To" (murdersofa)
01/28/2017 at 20:35, STARS: 0
Yes. Source: Have had both.
"The AE86 of Mt. Akina (Hachi)" (theae86)
01/28/2017 at 20:35, STARS: 1
$5
"The AE86 of Mt. Akina (Hachi)" (theae86)
01/28/2017 at 20:36, STARS: 1
It’s far faster, but also far less fun.
"TheHondaBro" (wwaveform)
01/28/2017 at 20:37, STARS: 5
So that Matthew McConaughey can do a weird commercial for it?
"Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo" (thetomselleck)
01/28/2017 at 20:37, STARS: 4
I hope to never drive one again, but I see the appeal of the NA. Good bang for the buck, usable trunk. RWD, reliable, handles well... I don’t see how something like that, which can be had for $5,000, maybe less if you try, can be overrated.
"Junkrat aka Rick Sanchez: Fury Road Edition" (realasabass)
01/28/2017 at 20:37, STARS: 1
DSM’s/EVO’s. They really aren’t that well made. The 4G63 is one of the worst sounding engines ever. Technically brilliant, but the execution is questionable. I would own one, but I have realistic expectations about them. If you buy one and have never been around one it will probably be a little disappointing.
"Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo" (thetomselleck)
01/28/2017 at 20:37, STARS: 0
You’ve owned lots of things.
"bhtooefr" (bhtooefr)
01/28/2017 at 20:44, STARS: 1
It also means you can’t see shit without spending like $500+ to upgrade the headlights. A NA, $80, and you’ve got some damn good halogens.
Source: I have a NB1. (Yes, the NB2 is better.)
"Tazio, Count Fouroff" (tazio0625)
01/28/2017 at 20:49, STARS: 0
Non-M E90 BMW (imho)
"Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To" (murdersofa)
01/28/2017 at 20:50, STARS: 0
In what way? Suspension’s better, chassis is stiffer, interior is nicer, turn in is better, engine is waaaaay better, headlights are worth a shit, and the trunk is bigger. It’s a better car in basically every way. My NA6 was quickly boring and always left me wanting more (until I turbo’d it). I’m 6 months into having my NB2 and it leaves me wanting for very, very little other than maybe better brakes despite having the factory big-brake kit.
"Spaceball-Two" (spaceball-two)
01/28/2017 at 20:52, STARS: 1
Juke
"Tazio, Count Fouroff" (tazio0625)
01/28/2017 at 20:52, STARS: 1
Addendum: FWD Audi...because meh
"DC3 LS, will be perpetually replacing cars until the end of time" (dc3ls-)
01/28/2017 at 20:54, STARS: 6
Is it even possible for it to be overrated?
"Vítor" (vitorcesar)
01/28/2017 at 20:54, STARS: 2
Which McLaren are you talking about? The 675LT, which is the only one I saw the GT being benchmarked against, cost 350k. At the price Ford is charging the GT, it’s going to compete with cars like the 490k Lamborghini Aventador SV, the second fastest road car to ever reach the Nurburgring, doing a under 7 minutes lap
"DC3 LS, will be perpetually replacing cars until the end of time" (dc3ls-)
01/28/2017 at 20:55, STARS: 1
I’m ok with this one. I’ve never been any kind of an Audi fan.
"jovimon7" (jovimon7)
01/28/2017 at 20:56, STARS: 6
Anything that needs the VTEC to “kick in”.
"DC3 LS, will be perpetually replacing cars until the end of time" (dc3ls-)
01/28/2017 at 20:59, STARS: 0
NO. Then again my Integra has no V-TEC. Therefore it’s not overrated ^_^
"Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies" (jordanwphillips)
01/28/2017 at 21:00, STARS: 0
It’s equally as fast as a P1, but 0-60, 100, 186 hasn’t been released yet, so no clue if it’s as quick as.
"jovimon7" (jovimon7)
01/28/2017 at 21:07, STARS: 0
http://www.autoblog.com/2017/01/25/ford-gt-faster-than-ferrari-458-mclaren-675lt/
"Vítor" (vitorcesar)
01/28/2017 at 21:11, STARS: 1
Where did you got that P1 info? The only data Ford released, other than having 647hp and top speed, is the fact that is faster in a Canadian track than the 458 Speciale, which is out of production, and than a 675LT, which is going to be replaced by the 720S this year. If you are talking about top speed, the 420k Aventador S and the 330k Ferrari F12 are equally as fast as the GT.
"The AE86 of Mt. Akina (Hachi)" (theae86)
01/28/2017 at 21:13, STARS: 0
Yeah, I kinda figured since the NB is more complex and refined than the NA, it would be more boring. But you’ve driven both and I’ve only driven an NA. Disregard my comment.
"Nauraushaun" (nauraushaun12)
01/28/2017 at 21:14, STARS: 0
NSX?
"Nauraushaun" (nauraushaun12)
01/28/2017 at 21:15, STARS: 3
OH yes. FWD is so bleh. A fast FWD car is like an attractive girlfriend you can’t have sex with.
"Nauraushaun" (nauraushaun12)
01/28/2017 at 21:17, STARS: 0
I think you could say that about a lot of rally-bred cars. They aren’t made to be well built, luxurious, anything except fast. It’s literally a Lancer with a good drivetrain - and a Lancer is an economy car.
Good point though. People think they’re more than they are. What they are is fast.
"Vítor" (vitorcesar)
01/28/2017 at 21:18, STARS: 0
Both are outdated (The 458 has been replaced by the 488 and the 675 will be replaced by the 720S this year) and even when they were new that costed significantly less than the GT. The Mclaren had a 350k MSRP and the 458 Speciale had a 288k MSRP.
"Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies" (jordanwphillips)
01/28/2017 at 21:19, STARS: 0
The P1 has an easily Googleable top speed of 217. The GT has a top speed of 216, so close enough.
"Highlander-Datsuns are Forever" (jamesbowland)
01/28/2017 at 21:21, STARS: 1
Any second generation naturally aspirated RX7. Great Chasis but so under powered. I drove one right after driving my 240z and I was asking my cousin if there was an engine under the hood. First generation gsl was quite a bit lighter and tossable.
"unclevanos (Ovaltine Jenkins)" (unclevanos)
01/28/2017 at 21:21, STARS: 0
Chassis rigidity is essential.
"Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies" (jordanwphillips)
01/28/2017 at 21:26, STARS: 2
At least one person likes them, so yes
"Vítor" (vitorcesar)
01/28/2017 at 21:27, STARS: 1
If I want a 210+ top speed, I can save myself like 80k and get a F12 Berlinetta and content myself with a 211 mph top speed, or spend around the same money and get a Aventador S, which does 217 mph.
"Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To" (murdersofa)
01/28/2017 at 21:28, STARS: 1
The NA is distractedly floppy. The chassis is just... not great, and suspension upgrades further highlight that the chassis has the structural integrity of a limp noodle. The NB has some factory seam welding and an ENORMOUS underchassis brace as well as braces on the dif and suspension mounting points and front strut towers.
"gmctavish needs more space" (gmctavish)
01/28/2017 at 21:36, STARS: 1
E30s.
(I want them to get cheaper)
"Steve is equipped with Electronic Fool Injection" (itsalwayssteve)
01/28/2017 at 21:55, STARS: 0
My two Volvo 240s taught me that durable isn’t the same as reliable.
"Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies" (jordanwphillips)
01/28/2017 at 22:09, STARS: 1
The engine will never die. No matter how much oil it is pouring out of every spot that it could, it will still run. Provided the oil isn’t drowning the alternator. Or the wiring isn’t all fucky. And if it starts, will the trans work? Will the rear end grenade?
"promoted by the color red" (whenindoubtflatout)
01/28/2017 at 22:13, STARS: 0
I used to brag about never hitting VTEC in my Integra GS-R, but then I realized I was bragging about driving a gutless Honda.
"promoted by the color red" (whenindoubtflatout)
01/28/2017 at 22:16, STARS: 1
E46/E90 3-series. It’s a family car, but because it has RWD and an optional manual gearbox, it’s literally a sports car, never mind it’s only a tick or so sportier than a Honda Accord and has a propensity to chew up expensive components.
"TheJWT" (thejwt)
01/28/2017 at 22:19, STARS: 0
Only car I’ve driven that comes to mind is the i8
"gin-san - shitpost specialist" (gin-san-)
01/28/2017 at 22:21, STARS: 1
The NB Mazdaspeed is neat.
"Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To" (murdersofa)
01/28/2017 at 22:25, STARS: 0
This is true.
"DC3 LS, will be perpetually replacing cars until the end of time" (dc3ls-)
01/28/2017 at 23:08, STARS: 0
Whaaaaat you’ve driven an i8? I demand an Oppo review!
"TheJWT" (thejwt)
01/28/2017 at 23:34, STARS: 0
A few times in my CCC intern days, not enough to write up a full review though...
"Chuckles" (chucklesw37)
01/29/2017 at 01:03, STARS: 0
What makes the NB2 better? Are you just referring to the early NA with the 1.6L engines? I’ve got a 94 NA with the 1.8L and it’s a lot of fun.
"Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To" (murdersofa)
01/29/2017 at 02:36, STARS: 2
I had an NA6 and then an NB2 and a few friends of mine have had various NA8s over the years. The NB2 is an NA but better in almost every way except for retro flair which has led to NBs being cheaper than NAs on the local Craigslist, which amuses me.
Stiffer chassis due to a factory underbody brace along with NA8-style bracing for the diff, seatbelt towers, and optional front strut tower brace. Suspension top hats are different and allow for more up-travel (less riding on bumpstops).
Nicer more modern interior. Improved NVH.
Better optional equipment: 6 speed manual, the Hard S bilsteins (which I believe some NAs got as well), factory “big brake” kit.
Larger sway bars, improved engine cooling, variable valve timing, far better crash test results, decent airbags, headlights that aren’t useless, far more low-end torque.
The only ways it’s worse are it’s a bit heavier due to being made a tad wider for side-impact safety and bracing but the extra bulk is more than offset by the extra power and superior handling.
"duurtlang" (duurtlang)
01/29/2017 at 08:13, STARS: 0
It’s not just the manual and the RWD you know. The chassis, steering, engines (not hp), interior/dash, they all matter.
"flyingmetalbird" (jonsavage)
01/29/2017 at 11:20, STARS: 1
I have a 94 NA with the 1.8 too and I can’t imagine the NB being much more fun...
"BlurpleToyotaDishwasher" (blurpletoyotadishwasher)
01/29/2017 at 16:22, STARS: 1
The Citroen Xsara is the car the internet used to think the Peugeot 306 was.
It’s pretty much the same thing but uglier, but the faster steering racks in the Citroen make all the difference.
"Wrong Wheel Drive (41%)" (rduncan5678)
01/31/2017 at 07:44, STARS: 1
There are also structural rigidity enhancements. More cross-bracing, better suspension layout, and better differential, transmission, and headlights. Plus on the subjective side of things, it has a much more modern design aesthetic and can actually look aggressive (in a Miata way). In the end, the differences are minimal and a Miata is a Miata. It will have the same character either way which is what makes ALL NA/NB Miatas great. Except for the automatics, fuck those things.
"Wrong Wheel Drive (41%)" (rduncan5678)
01/31/2017 at 07:45, STARS: 1
and the NB headlights actually output a useful amount of light! I have seen some modded NA lights that work well though. I definitely do wish I could flip my headlights at fellow Miatas though.
"dogisbadob" (dogisbadob)
01/31/2017 at 16:30, STARS: 1
Yeah, but the NA uses sealed beams, which means upgrading is easy and cheap. Hella E-codes aren’t expensive at all, and there are many other options too. Including an excellent LED headlight setup from JW Speaker. Even the GE Nighthawk sealed beams are good stuff (NOTE: the GE Nighthawk is the only sealed beam worth buying; the rest are all made on worn-out tooling and low quality).
"Wrong Wheel Drive (41%)" (rduncan5678)
02/01/2017 at 07:46, STARS: 1
Oh yes, aftermarket has found a solution. And I have seen those work quite well in person. But it’s nice for some people to have an OEM solution that works better. The NB2 headlights are expensive as hell to replace though. The decent used set I picked up was ~$300 including shipping so it’s a struggle.