by "Z (ND + Cancer Fighter)" (roadsterzach)
Published 01/27/2017 at 16:13
by "Z (ND + Cancer Fighter)" (roadsterzach)
Published 01/27/2017 at 16:13
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Fair warning to all the EcoBoost Mustang owners on Oppo (I know there’s a few of you, and I’m especially jealous of you if you have Grabber Blue!): EcoBoost Mustangs are worth next to nothing on trade-in. Ford made too many, there’s more supply than demand and they have no value. I got $17k for my fully loaded 2015 Recaro Premium with only 24k miles on it. My advice: Keep it if you can unless you absolutely have to get rid of it.
"kiwi_matt" (kiwi_matt)
01/27/2017 at 16:16, STARS: 2
Why did you get rid of it?
"Honeybunchesofgoats" (honeybunche0fgoats)
01/27/2017 at 16:19, STARS: 1
Fiata deets please.
"TheTurbochargedSquirrel" (thatsquirrel)
01/27/2017 at 16:20, STARS: 2
Abarth?
EDIT: Read name. Is the 124 an Abarth?
"Tripper" (tripe46)
01/27/2017 at 16:22, STARS: 1
They fobs say 124
"404 - User No Longer Available" (toni-cipriani)
01/27/2017 at 16:24, STARS: 2
Furthermore name says 124.
"Arrivederci" (arrividerci)
01/27/2017 at 16:25, STARS: 2
That’s what I’m wondering. If resale is shit, why eat it?
"Tripper" (tripe46)
01/27/2017 at 16:25, STARS: 1
boom
"TysMagic" (twjeffery)
01/27/2017 at 16:27, STARS: 2
WOOO!! Fiat post please
"CaptDale - is secretly British" (captdale)
01/27/2017 at 16:28, STARS: 3
BUT IS IT AN ABARTH!?
"Takuro Spirit" (takurospirit)
01/27/2017 at 16:33, STARS: 3
Nice Mazda keys :D
"Sir_Stig: and toxic masculinity ruins the party again." (sir-stig)
01/27/2017 at 16:34, STARS: 1
So why buy the Fiat then?
"Justin Hughes" (justinhughes54)
01/27/2017 at 16:47, STARS: 3
I’m seeing the same sort of depreciation on my BRZ - basically, its value dropping steadily along with my payments. The two are about equal right now, which is good, but seeing as how I’m about to finish year 3 with that car, which I bought new in 2014, I can’t help but wonder if a lease might have made more sense, since I’m already paying the depreciation.
It’s something I’ll consider for my next daily driver. But not for a while. Like your Mustang, it still doesn’t make economic sense to unload the BRZ.
"Urambo Tauro" (urambotauro)
01/27/2017 at 16:50, STARS: 1
Fobulous!
"Arrivederci" (arrividerci)
01/27/2017 at 16:52, STARS: 0
Same for mine. I’m even paying extra on a 0% loan to get right-side-up on the damn thing. Right now I think I owe an even $16k and have 32k miles on my ‘14 Limited. I wouldn’t get that much on trade and would probably be hard-pressed to sell it privately for that much.
"Justin Hughes" (justinhughes54)
01/27/2017 at 17:00, STARS: 2
I stand by my theory that everybody who wanted a BRZ/FR-S and was willing to follow through and actually buy one already has one. That, plus the fact that Toyobaru is unwilling to introduce a TRD/STi model with the horsepower boost so many people want, means there simply isn’t much demand for our cars.
It’s a very different situation than the Mustang, since Ford built about eleventy zillion of those, but the end result is the same. High supply or low demand both mean low value.
"Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To" (murdersofa)
01/27/2017 at 17:04, STARS: 1
Fiat 124? From a Boostang? That’s an... interesting move.
"RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars" (rallydarkstrike)
01/27/2017 at 17:34, STARS: 1
YAY! FIAT! Please provide more deets!
"Milky" (jordanmielke)
01/27/2017 at 17:53, STARS: 1
Show us the Fiata!!!
"Z (ND + Cancer Fighter)" (roadsterzach)
01/27/2017 at 17:58, STARS: 0
These types of cars with this type of depreciation are exactly why I recommend leases to certain people depending on the car they want. At the very least, you turn in the lease if they dropped like a rock and you don’t want it, or if you want to keep it buy it out on a short loan. Which is why for the Fiat I took the lease option over purchasing. Fool me once, etc.
Unfortunately for me, despite throwing lots of extra money on top of the car payment, I didn’t realize the depreciation was this steep and was slightly behind on what I owed versus what it was worth.
"Z (ND + Cancer Fighter)" (roadsterzach)
01/27/2017 at 18:02, STARS: 1
Fiat 124 Spider Classica. I can’t stand the Abarth front bumper, nor can I justify the price difference for the Abarth. All the Abarth offers that I would want would be the rear bumper with the little side vents, LSD and optional Recaros (lol good luck finding one with Recaros though).
I saved $10k over the Abarth, which given the MX-5 aftermarket and the 500 Abarth engine aftermarket, I could easily surpass the Abarth with that saved money.
"Z (ND + Cancer Fighter)" (roadsterzach)
01/27/2017 at 18:06, STARS: 0
Me justifying it: Have had a bad streak last couple months, so this is me forcing my fate to change. My Ecoboost was a mechanical lemon, too big, didn’t handle well enough, poor power-to-weight ratio, awful MPG, paint was a pain to keep clean, and I could go on.
The real reason: I miss my Sky and wanted the Fiat. So I got one and it made me happy.
"Z (ND + Cancer Fighter)" (roadsterzach)
01/27/2017 at 18:07, STARS: 1
Nope, Classica. Standard radio like the MX-5 Sport has, and with a manual transmission. Couldn’t justify the price increase of the Abarth and I dislike the Abarth front end.
"Z (ND + Cancer Fighter)" (roadsterzach)
01/27/2017 at 18:08, STARS: 0
Thanks! I already mixed up the 124 and ND keys when I ran out to grab stuff out of the trunk. Should be interesting going forward...
"Z (ND + Cancer Fighter)" (roadsterzach)
01/27/2017 at 18:09, STARS: 0
Initial impressions / sorta review coming soon sometime next week!
"Z (ND + Cancer Fighter)" (roadsterzach)
01/27/2017 at 18:10, STARS: 1
The Boostang was not really my style, whereas the Fiata is 100% my style. I gave the EcoBoost a nice run but it was probably the worst new car I’ve ever owned and I’m glad to be rid of it.
Besides, MX-5 Is Always The Answer and Fiata Is Also The Answer. :)
"TheTurbochargedSquirrel" (thatsquirrel)
01/27/2017 at 18:13, STARS: 0
Did you drive both of them? Apparently in addition to the extra power, noise, and the differential the Abarth also gets different suspension tuning compared to the standard models. Though I guess with the aftermarket support that the Miata platform gets factory setup doesn’t matter a whole bunch.
So why buy a 124 when you own an ND?
"Z (ND + Cancer Fighter)" (roadsterzach)
01/27/2017 at 18:13, STARS: 0
Was sick of dealing with the Boostang and wanted the Fiat, so I traded them.
"Z (ND + Cancer Fighter)" (roadsterzach)
01/27/2017 at 18:14, STARS: 2
2017 Fiat 124 Spider Classica 6-speed Manual Transmission in Grigo Morda (Dark Grey). Will be posting a nice write-up of my intial impressions / review early next week, as I need to get more time behind the wheel and will be busy this weekend.
"Z (ND + Cancer Fighter)" (roadsterzach)
01/27/2017 at 18:16, STARS: 2
Here she is in her 4x4 status shiny new glory!
"Z (ND + Cancer Fighter)" (roadsterzach)
01/27/2017 at 18:17, STARS: 2
2017 Fiat 124 Spider Classica 6-speed Manual Transmission in Grigo Morda (Dark Grey). Matches my 2016 Mazda MX-5 Sport 6-speed Manual in Ceramic quite well. I’ll be posting my intial impressions / sorta review early next week.
"Chariotoflove" (chariotoflove)
01/27/2017 at 18:21, STARS: 1
I will be looking forward to this, as the Fiat, Miata, and Mustang are all on my short list, and I am in the earliest stages of research for purchase.
"Z (ND + Cancer Fighter)" (roadsterzach)
01/27/2017 at 18:25, STARS: 2
I have test driven all three trims of the 124 in the last few months. The Abarth makes fun noises compared to the standard two, although it doesn’t sound as good as a 500 Abarth or 4c. The Abarth’s suspension felt identical to the MX-5's Club suspension that I drove early last year. While the Abarth / Club suspension is a vast improvement over the standard suspension, but it’s just shocks/springs/sways which I plan to go aftermarket (Good-Win Racing) with regardless of what trim, so paying extra for an upgraded item I plan on replacing anyways seemed silly.
124 makes fun turbo sounds and is the closest to a brand new Saturn Sky Redline. Also, I think the 124 looks far classier than the ND, and the turbo is a ton of fun around town. The ND is very quickly heading down the path of being a full AutoX / track car with my growing plans for it, so having a reasonable DD seemed nice. Plus the girlfriend loves to take the ND all the time, so it’s easier having both as well.
They are both great roadsters, so why try to decided between the two when I could have both?
"CaptDale - is secretly British" (captdale)
01/27/2017 at 18:28, STARS: 0
Ah ok.... Yeah too bad we don’t get the euro Abarth
"Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To" (murdersofa)
01/27/2017 at 18:33, STARS: 0
I mean I love the Fiat but honestly JayhawkJake’s boostang was pretty damn good.
"Z (ND + Cancer Fighter)" (roadsterzach)
01/27/2017 at 18:52, STARS: 1
I am still bitter that Fiat only offered that color in the US with an automatic transmission. I would have paid Porsche-style extra money for that color. Ugh.
"Z (ND + Cancer Fighter)" (roadsterzach)
01/27/2017 at 18:55, STARS: 0
Don’t get me wrong, the EcoBoost Mustang is a wonderful sports car, especially for it’s price - it’s just my specific one was a total nightmare plagued by brake system failures, engine issues, electrical gremlins, fit and finish issues and a few other issues plus poor customer service trying to get those issues fixed.
"Z (ND + Cancer Fighter)" (roadsterzach)
01/27/2017 at 19:01, STARS: 2
Hoping to have impression posts for the 124, ND, Boostang and my former Sky all posted up over the next 2-3 weeks. Honestly, the choice between a Fiata, Miata and Boostang would be a real tough one.
"jovimon7" (jovimon7)
01/27/2017 at 19:08, STARS: 0
Fix It Again Tony...
"Milky" (jordanmielke)
01/27/2017 at 19:13, STARS: 1
I am currently by myself, which is good because no one can see my erection.
"Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero" (sampsonite24)
01/27/2017 at 19:30, STARS: 0
Honest question...why would you buy essentially the same car?
"Z (ND + Cancer Fighter)" (roadsterzach)
01/27/2017 at 20:23, STARS: 2
Some Fiata Pictures to Appease the Oppo Commentariat
Sorry for the awful potato pictures (iPhone 6) and the poor lighting with the sun setting~
Top Down:
Interior:
Trunk Space (Much larger than Miata):
"Z (ND + Cancer Fighter)" (roadsterzach)
01/27/2017 at 20:25, STARS: 0
Here’s a few more photos I just ran out to take!
"Z (ND + Cancer Fighter)" (roadsterzach)
01/27/2017 at 20:27, STARS: 1
Found On Road Dead...
Luckily it’s like 90% Mazda, with the only Fiat bits being the engine (which seems to be dead reliable according to the 500 forums)! Best of both worlds, Japanese reliability/build quality, and sexy Italian styling.
"davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com" (davesaddiction)
01/27/2017 at 20:34, STARS: 1
This is impenetrable logic.
"Khalbali" (khalbali2)
01/28/2017 at 01:29, STARS: 1
Nice you’ll have to let us know how they compare, I ordered an identical ND before they came out but got impatient waiting and came up with reasons to buy an NC instead, but the Fiata is appealing to me now especially after hamster had a go in one, I much prefer the NC trans to the skyactiv one so that’s a big selling point. I’m hoping with usual fiat depreciation I can upgrade to one in a couple years.
"Justin Hughes" (justinhughes54)
01/30/2017 at 11:26, STARS: 1
If my next daily driver turns out to be a GTI, I’d consider leasing it - especially if it’s a DSG and maintenance is included. I have a long commute and there’s a mileage limit, but that would be offset by my motorcycle and Jetta ute project at other times. It’s all a matter of whether the numbers add up.
"Z (ND + Cancer Fighter)" (roadsterzach)
01/31/2017 at 13:34, STARS: 1
Quick note: after driving both for a bit, the NC transmission is definitely superior to the ND Skyactive transmission. Superior in just about every single way. Shifts better, feels better, short throw, and it definitely feels beefy/strong and makes the ND transmission feel very fragile, almost like glass.
"Korean Cowboy" (koreancowboy2)
01/31/2017 at 14:29, STARS: 0
So what I read is that I can get an Ecoboost Stang for cheap in a few years?
"Khalbali" (khalbali2)
01/31/2017 at 15:10, STARS: 0
Yeah I had a 2015 mazda3 and didn’t mind it until I traded it for the NC and remembered what hydraulic steering felt like. Is the 124 electric also?
"Z (ND + Cancer Fighter)" (roadsterzach)
01/31/2017 at 15:11, STARS: 1
I expect the base EcoBoost Stangs will be worth around 10-12k retail in about two years, given their current massive depreciation rate. Cheap EcoBoost fun for everyone is looming soon!
"Z (ND + Cancer Fighter)" (roadsterzach)
01/31/2017 at 15:14, STARS: 1
I believe the 124 is also electric, at least the Fiat site says it is, but it does not feel electric. Especially when compared to the MX-5 ND, it feels much heavier and more like a hydraulic rack than an electric rack. Only at less than 5-7 mph does it feel remotely electric. Steering feel is much better in the 124 because of this in my opinion. Also, the 124 has a much nicer, thicker steering wheel that is an huge improvement over the ND wheel.
"Korean Cowboy" (koreancowboy2)
01/31/2017 at 16:25, STARS: 1
I am very tempted by this
"Khalbali" (khalbali2)
01/31/2017 at 19:58, STARS: 0
......Are you a fiat salesperson......
"Z (ND + Cancer Fighter)" (roadsterzach)
02/01/2017 at 00:40, STARS: 0
Nope, I don’t think I could even make rent with the megar Fiat sales around here, and I’d be no good as a salesperson. The electric steering just happens to be one of the main faults of the ND, and the 124 handles that better.
I just like little roadsters and cars in general.
"Khalbali" (khalbali2)
02/01/2017 at 09:44, STARS: 0
Ok well, you seem to be doing a pretty good job of selling me a fiat.