by "deprecated account" (savethei4s)
Published 01/24/2017 at 11:30
by "deprecated account" (savethei4s)
Published 01/24/2017 at 11:30
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Hello everyone, 17 year old protestant cis white male here, and welcome to this Hot Take™. Consider this your trigger warning if you need that kind of thing.
It’s not often, if ever, that I use social media as a platform for my opinions on stuff that really matters; however, I want to put in my two cents about all this stuff going on. But first, here’s a Winston Churchill quotation:
And an Aristotle quotation:
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This should probably go without saying, but violence is not the answer (I’ll give punching Richard Spencer in the face a pass; I can totally get behind that). Rioting in the streets and antagonizing law enforcement officers will not make things better. It will only make things worse for all of us. Put some respek on those guys. The overwhelming majority of them are awesome people who do a great job and put their lives on the line to keep us safe every day. And I acknowledge what I’m about to say kinda breaks my rules, but if you think law enforcement officials as a whole are evil, bigoted, or racist, then an emphatic “EFF YOU” to you, sir or madam.
Don’t reinforce the bubble you live in. Don’t shut out the opinions or views of others just because they aren’t exactly the same as yours. Don’t discount what they have to say just because they’re of a different faith, creed, color, or gender. Keep an open mind. If you want to convince people you’re right, shouting at them is not the answer. Engage in reasoned discourse and be willing, or at the least able to compromise.
Short of an impeachment (Though possible, I’m not really going to entertain the idea of an assassination here), you’ll have to wait four years for the possibility (likelihood?) that leadership of this country will change hands. Period. There’s nothing you can do about that. So make the most of these next four years. Spend them doing what you love with who you love. Try and find a way to turn your frustration (or jubilation if that’s what you’re feeling) into something that’s positive for everyone.
Take care of each other, listen to each other, be freaking EXCELLENT to one another, and most importantly, love each other. Love you guys :)
**Note to mods and people and general - I know this type of post would be more appropriate for Cigar Lounge, but 1) I don’t have authorship, and 2) I feel that it would be preaching to the choir to post it there, at least with regards to being ok with the election results themselves.**
Have some pretty pictures from the beach for your time. All shot with VSCO RAW on an iPhone 6S, for those curious.
"Jcarr" (jcarr)
01/24/2017 at 11:37, STARS: 0
Nice shots! I added you to the CL, FYI.
"For Sweden" (rallybeetle)
01/24/2017 at 11:37, STARS: 1
Ban Tankies
"deprecated account" (savethei4s)
01/24/2017 at 11:38, STARS: 0
Thank you kindly.
"Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer" (smallbear94)
01/24/2017 at 11:43, STARS: 1
Re #3--As a non-American conservative who in this case was rooting for the other side because I believed her to be less damaging than Trump:
Yes. As it stands now, he is the President of what is, frankly, the most important nation in the world and needs to be regarded as such. The last thing you need to throw into the mix right now is instability. Trump will be a shitshow, but all that can be done now is to make the best of it. That said I’m not going to refrain from laughing when someone makes fun of him...
"Berang" (berang)
01/24/2017 at 11:43, STARS: 4
I saw quite a few posts on twitter blaming white women for Trump happening (disregard that this is mathematically implausible even assuming as many women voted for trump, proportionally, as for Clinton).
I’m just waiting until these people realize burning bridges isn’t likely going to help them much over the next four years. For some people living in a bubble is more important than solving problems. I’m waiting to see if facing a more unified threat will wake people up to the fact that groups cannot go on slicing their groups thinner and thinner and cutting themselves off from more and more allies, all under some sort of delusion of being self sufficient.
"Rainbow" (rainbeaux)
01/24/2017 at 11:43, STARS: 10
For what it’s worth, those of us protesting aren’t trying to get Trump out of office or anything remotely like that. He’s in there, he’s our president, and that’s indisputable. The whole point of this is to show him that we’re not happy with his platform at all and we want our voices heard. After all, the majority of voters DIDN’T want him. If he wants to please the majority of citizens, he needs to take a step back and reevaluate his policies.
People like to say that we’re “wanting him to fail,” but that’s the farthest thing from the truth. We want him to succeed; we’re protesting because he’s already failing us.
Also, for fuck’s sake, protests =/= riots.
"Mercedes Streeter" (smart)
01/24/2017 at 11:46, STARS: 6
Can I has comment about your commentary? :)
1. Agreed - Protesting is one of the great rights we have as Americans...but riots aren’t cool. Interestingly enough, the perpetrators of the Inauguration riots appear to be either from DisruptJ20 or some other Anarchist group.
2.
Don’t shut out the opinions or views of others just because they aren’t exactly the same as yours.
Depends, if it’s an opinion based on a falsehood (ex: a person like me doesn’t deserve rights because I apparently rape people), then I’ll shut it down and prove them wrong. Purposeful anti-intellectualism (especially to hurt a group) isn’t acceptable in any society.
Otherwise indeed, a differing opinion shouldn’t be shut out.
3.
Short of an impeachment (Though possible, I’m not really going to entertain the idea of an assassination here), you’ll have to wait four years for the possibility (likelihood?) that leadership of this country will change hands. Period. There’s nothing you can do about that.
Even if he gets impeached, our consolation prize is Pence, so even impeachment won’t solve anything.
Man, the next four years are going to suck. :’(
Indeed, be excellent to everyone, please please please don’t fall into the traps of misinformation, division, or hate.
"Bryan doesn't drive a 1M" (bryantakespictures)
01/24/2017 at 11:49, STARS: 2
Also, for fuck’s sake, protests =/= riots.
Millions protested and dozens were arrested for “rioting,” so now the entire thing is a riot? God, I wish people were better at math.
"random001" (random001)
01/24/2017 at 11:53, STARS: 0
Politics post, don’t care. User name is Save the V8's. Care.
"deprecated account" (savethei4s)
01/24/2017 at 11:54, STARS: 0
:)
"random001" (random001)
01/24/2017 at 11:55, STARS: 0
Have you, then?
"RutRut" (RDR)
01/24/2017 at 11:59, STARS: 3
Although I am a firm Republican I would like to point out there are a large number of congressional seats up for election in 2018. And really, a Dem majority could pretty much stall out Trump.
"Bryan doesn't drive a 1M" (bryantakespictures)
01/24/2017 at 12:00, STARS: 7
Some of this is Citizenship 101:
Yes, the current elected office-holders are in their position for now and that cannot be changed. But guess what? Those people are your “representatives,” they “represent” all of us and they should know where we stand. Protesting (not rioting) is one of many tools to communicate the desires of constituents. When the Tea-partiers protested Obama, it was their right to bring up the issue most important to them.
Also, since you pointed out your age, 17, you may not remember the pre-ACA healthcare system. It’s a big fucking deal that the people in power want to go back to a world of pre-existing conditions and lifetime maximum coverage.
What’s more offensive? Millions peacefully marching, or the president and his official spokespeople lying about verifiable facts on day 1?
"Bryan doesn't drive a 1M" (bryantakespictures)
01/24/2017 at 12:02, STARS: 2
Impeachment isn’t the only option! Make sure that even the republican congress folk know that it’s unacceptable to make laws violating the rights of women, LGBT, non-whites, etc. Jeebus, who aren’t they going after? The next four years are going to suck.
"deprecated account" (savethei4s)
01/24/2017 at 12:03, STARS: 0
Well uh technically uh nah
"deprecated account" (savethei4s)
01/24/2017 at 12:04, STARS: 0
It will be very interesting to see how that plays out for sure.
"Chariotoflove" (chariotoflove)
01/24/2017 at 12:05, STARS: 2
Indeed, the exceptionally shrewd on the left might find that circumstances allow them the opportunity to make allies of the Republicans they so often fought. Then, there might be a chance to bargain for what they want. Remember, Reagan was very successful as pushing his legislative agenda with a Democratic Congress.
"deprecated account" (savethei4s)
01/24/2017 at 12:06, STARS: 1
When I said rioting I was referring to the actual rioting that occurred near the parade route (pictured in the header image), not trying to equate protesting to rioting. And as much as I think a fair bit of these protests don’t really bring about progress, it’s totally your right to participate in them, so long as they don’t devolve into violence. And as far as your first two points, I understand what you’re saying, but it sounds like you’re in a minority. In my experience the tone really is “we don’t acknowledge his authority.” And not that what Madonna says carries any merit, but saying you’ve thought about blowing up the White House isn’t wanting him to succeed. Anyway, I’m pretty sure he’s very aware of people’s displeasure. I’m also pretty sure he couldn’t give a damn because that seems like the type of person he is.
"Chariotoflove" (chariotoflove)
01/24/2017 at 12:06, STARS: 0
Well said. And, nice pics. You have a good eye.
"deprecated account" (savethei4s)
01/24/2017 at 12:07, STARS: 0
Thank you! :)
"RutRut" (RDR)
01/24/2017 at 12:08, STARS: 1
It’s the next real opportunity for Dems to slow down what is going on, although it doesn’t really align with my views I hope all of these people that have protested and everything else take it seriously and get out and get active in their party for congressional or even local elections.
"Mercedes Streeter" (smart)
01/24/2017 at 12:09, STARS: 0
Oh you bet I’ve been doing that. I even have a couple Senators in my phone to um, totally not harass. :)
Ultimately, many these guys will so easily tell you to your face “oh you’re not losing your rights” and after you hang up, try to wipe them away anyway.
"deprecated account" (savethei4s)
01/24/2017 at 12:12, STARS: 0
Absolutely. There are few things that irritate me more than people who whine and complain about the political situation but don’t do anything about it. This latest election certainly brought people out in droves, so I don’t think the midterms will be any different.
"Rainbow" (rainbeaux)
01/24/2017 at 12:13, STARS: 2
Like with everything, I think the problem is that the obsessive minority is the loudest part of the group. I cringe every time I hear someone chanting “not my president” because, if that was true, then he’s not your problem either, is he? That just completely destroys your entire argument. But I think most people realize that. It’s just hard to prove a negative, so there’s really no visible way to tell how many people aren’t trying to dismiss his authority.
But yeah, you’re right. The small riots that occasionally break out during peaceful protests are far from helpful. The only time violence ever really makes any change is during a full-blown revolution, which is absolutely not what’s going to happen here.
"RutRut" (RDR)
01/24/2017 at 12:15, STARS: 3
But no one ever gets motivated for non-presidential elections. It’s the same reason most third parties will never have a chance; only voting every 4 years or running a candidate for the highest office every 4 years is not the path to success.
"deprecated account" (savethei4s)
01/24/2017 at 12:22, STARS: 1
Let’s certainly hope not.
"random001" (random001)
01/24/2017 at 12:26, STARS: 0
You need to get on that!
"deprecated account" (savethei4s)
01/24/2017 at 12:27, STARS: 1
Keep your head up. You don’t necessarily have to be optimistic (I’m really not), but stay hopeful.
"deprecated account" (savethei4s)
01/24/2017 at 12:32, STARS: 0
I’m not really in a position to. It’s more of a“stop regulating the V8 (and other great engines) out of existence” statement than a call for people to restore them or stop them from being scrapped or whatever. That said, I am on the hunt for a new car, and hopefully one with a V8.
"Mercedes Streeter" (smart)
01/24/2017 at 12:35, STARS: 1
Hopeful and willing to try to fight. :) I’m waiting, and actually kinda surprised we haven’t been targeted yet.
"random001" (random001)
01/24/2017 at 12:36, STARS: 1
LET’S EFFIN DO THIS!
"ZHP Sparky, the 5th" (e30s2k)
01/24/2017 at 12:47, STARS: 0
This is the single biggest problem I have with third party voters. They sit on their asses for 4 years and then throw their vote away on someone who has no chance of winning based purely on ideological purity. And then they go back to a holier than thou attitude of “I didn’t vote for either of those jokers” and sitting on their ass for 4 more years. Generalizations, perhaps but applies to every single Johnson and Stein voter I know.
"RutRut" (RDR)
01/24/2017 at 12:54, STARS: 0
As a Republican I voted Johnson this year, knowing that he had no chance but more accurately reflected my views and interests better than Trump. My main hope was that he would get to 3% and get funding for the Lib. party (although I strongly disagree with the federal gov. providing funding to political parties in general). The only third party that comes to mind that created a base and started to build up from local levels was the Tea Party but then they let the crazy out and floundered.
"ZHP Sparky, the 5th" (e30s2k)
01/24/2017 at 12:59, STARS: 0
Well I hope you continue to work towards a platform you believe in during the next four years. It’s a tough task, but more people certainly need to make a point of it if they ever want a viable 3 rd party candidate in the run for president.
"RutRut" (RDR)
01/24/2017 at 13:10, STARS: 0
My biggest hope is in 4 years the Dems run a better, more moderate candidate to bump Trump out of office. Give me a socially liberal, fiscally conservative candidate that believes in state rights and I will be happy.
"Mercedes Streeter" (smart)
01/24/2017 at 13:15, STARS: 1
What you speak of is a concept called Kyriarchy, and it’s actually pretty simple:
Mostly everyone is oppressed by at least one thing, but also are privileged by at least one thing as well.
And because it’s common for people in a place of privilege to oppress someone who is not, what you get is oppressed people oppressing each other to effectively, get a one up over each other in the pyramid.
Now, like the Patriarchy, a Kyriarchy can be fought. And at first Occupy Wall Street and the Women’s Marches did just that. The protesters were people from various backgrounds, situations, etc, but they all joined together as one against a common enemy. After all, that enemy promises to hurt all of them.
However, eventually some members of the giant group felt they were more deserving of attention and rights than others, thus causing fractures. They forget what they were fighting for in the first place.
"IanZ - limited-slip indifferential" (ianz-limited)
01/24/2017 at 13:44, STARS: 0
Your photography is really nice! But your intro gave me cancer. But I mostly agree with you. But I would be wary of alleged quotes over photos of historical figures, since there’s always a 62.7% chance they never said that.
1. I don’t condone violence either (except against Nazis; someone on the interwebs said basically if you want to debate Nazis politically, you’re justifying genocide as a political position.)
The problem with the minority of aggressive/violent/racist cops is that too often they don’t face any consequences for their actions. There definitely needs to be some kind of reformation within the police force to get rid of the cops who won’t do their job, and not cover for them or just pawn them off to other departments.
3.
I can’t reasonably see Trump lasting 4 years without being impeached or resigning or possibly dying. The stress of the presidency is huge, and Trump is not a healthy man. Republicans need to weigh the pros of having a malleable puppet as president against the cons of him being just unpredictable/dumb/uncaring enough to push the Big Red Button.
"bhtooefr" (bhtooefr)
01/24/2017 at 13:54, STARS: 1
Count me as a double Stein voter (2012 and 2016) who, the only times he hasn’t turned out, have been primaries where there was nothing on the non-partisan ballot, or I think there was one year where there wasn’t anything that I was going to vote for on the general ballot (an odd year), and didn’t feel like going in to cast a blank ballot.
I’ll definitely be taking the Democratic ballot at upcoming primaries, though, to try to push the Democratic party left. (And, I took the Democratic ballot this past year, to vote for Bernie Sanders - probably the first time I’ve actually voted for a candidate that had a snowball’s chance in hell, instead of voting against a candidate, or a protest vote.)
"IanZ - limited-slip indifferential" (ianz-limited)
01/24/2017 at 13:54, STARS: 2
Even though Pence is super right-wing, the damage he would do is much more easily repaired than the Trump brand. I would very much prefer him over Trump, because he’s at least not dictatorial or unpredictable.
"IanZ - limited-slip indifferential" (ianz-limited)
01/24/2017 at 13:56, STARS: 0
I honestly blame the limousine, because if it wasn’t parked there in the first place, what would they have had to firebomb? Take that liberals!
"For Sweden" (rallybeetle)
01/24/2017 at 13:57, STARS: 1
It really shouldn’t have dressed so provakatively
"ZHP Sparky, the 5th" (e30s2k)
01/24/2017 at 14:02, STARS: 0
Certainly agree with wanting to see the democratic platform moving more to the left in the coming years. Years of trying appease the other side has only been met with very very moderate candidates who are pretty much in line with Raegan being labeled as communists – so even in the name of unity and compromise it has proven to be an ineffective strategy.
"IanZ - limited-slip indifferential" (ianz-limited)
01/24/2017 at 14:34, STARS: 1
Have you
seen
the MKT? Flaunting those hips for everyone to see. Shameful.
"Khalbali" (khalbali2)
01/24/2017 at 15:14, STARS: 1
Congrats! It appears Winston Churchill did actually say that, if not originally.
It’s a disease, i believe Winston Churchill was mute and thus must fact check everything whenever I see his name.
"Berang" (berang)
01/24/2017 at 19:17, STARS: 0
This of course depends on having somebody like Reagan around. I don’t know that we do now.
"Chariotoflove" (chariotoflove)
01/24/2017 at 19:51, STARS: 0
Neither do I.
"wiffleballtony" (wiffleballtony)
01/24/2017 at 20:03, STARS: 1
How dare you take the name of the Electronic Frontier Foundation in vain.
"deprecated account" (savethei4s)
01/25/2017 at 15:44, STARS: 1
1. The Winston Churchill quote I read in a book of his quotes, and the Aristotle quote is hung on a wall at my school. I just googled their names and then the first part of the quote and went to GIS.
2. Yes, bad cops should be brought to justice; not all the ones everyone says are bad are bad , though.
3. Yeah, all valid points here, but this is assuming (the worst(?), which is that) he doesn’t die.
Sorry about the cancerous intro, but thanks for the photography compliment!
"TheHondaBro" (wwaveform)
01/27/2017 at 23:55, STARS: 0
It’s a Lincoln, You need not worry about any of that.
"jkm7680" (jkm7680)
02/14/2017 at 16:18, STARS: 1
Agreed completely.
Also, Richard Spencer lives not too far from my house. Which I found extremely alarming.
"deprecated account" (savethei4s)
02/15/2017 at 12:53, STARS: 0
Well, don’t kill him, but punch give him another good punch in the face