by "Noah - Now with more boost." (antriebverliebt)
Published 01/18/2017 at 20:03
by "Noah - Now with more boost." (antriebverliebt)
Published 01/18/2017 at 20:03
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STARS: 4
TBH 99% of them don’t interest me. And the U.S. off road community can’t get enough, to the point where other off road vehicles, especially imports, are an afterthought. Now, I’ve been working on my friends’ Jeeps for years so I’ve come to respect the XJ Cherokee and it’s amusingly agricultural 4.0 straight six. I also like new Cherokees and old Wagoneers.
The endless lifted Wranglers though? I would be thrilled if I never saw one of those ever again. But instead they’re just everywhere. Mostly bone stock in supermarket parking lots, but also when we go off roading too. Don’t get me wrong, off roading is epic. I just wish it wasn’t all about Jeeps here in the US. For example, the last run we went on was 90% Jeeps. There was even a little friendly banter about the “imports” over the radio, which also proves my point.
And yes, I’ve driven a 2016 Rubicon, but the ~10 mile drive didn’t change my mind. I didn’t drive it off road but let’s be realistic, most people never hit the trails and the rest do it a few times per month. For that reason, I think it’s appropriate to judge the vehicle as a car, since that’s how it’s used for the most part.
And when viewed from that perspective? It sucks. The the Rubicon’s tacky, noisy, and shamelessly cheap interior is appalling for a $40,000+ car. Furthermore, the soul sucking corporate V6 sounds like a washing machine. The throttle pedal was also a disaster. Even the owner admitted he was having a hard time getting used to it.
"jkm7680" (jkm7680)
01/18/2017 at 20:07, STARS: 7
I personally think Jeeps are overrated.
They’re unreliable and for the most part, drive like absolute shit.
"TheHondaBro" (wwaveform)
01/18/2017 at 20:07, STARS: 3
The Wrangler is the Camry of off-road SUVs.
"Noah - Now with more boost." (antriebverliebt)
01/18/2017 at 20:08, STARS: 0
yep hence the caption on that first photo, calling them camrys :p great minds think alike I guess?
"TheHondaBro" (wwaveform)
01/18/2017 at 20:09, STARS: 1
Oh didn’t read the caption.
Yep, same as how the Miata is the Camry of track day cars.
"Noah - Now with more boost." (antriebverliebt)
01/18/2017 at 20:09, STARS: 3
The only reliability I can attest to is the XJ, and those are tanks. IDK about the new stuff beyond the unfortunate driving experience tho
"Noah - Now with more boost." (antriebverliebt)
01/18/2017 at 20:09, STARS: 0
haha I figured!
"Honeybunchesofgoats" (honeybunche0fgoats)
01/18/2017 at 20:10, STARS: 1
As much as I want to hate Wranglers and the vast majority of their owners, I just can’t. Considering the direction that all modern cars are headed in, especially, say, pickup trucks, there’s something really heartening about how so many people are willing to pay stupid amounts of money for a car that is good for one thing and terrible at everything else.
"jkm7680" (jkm7680)
01/18/2017 at 20:11, STARS: 0
The 4.7? V8 was a good engine. I’ve seen one with 350k on it and running strong. They rust like crazy though, like a Maryland car with rotted out everything underneath is pretty bad.
"TheHondaBro" (wwaveform)
01/18/2017 at 20:11, STARS: 0
4Runner > Jip
"jkm7680" (jkm7680)
01/18/2017 at 20:12, STARS: 0
I agree.
But I am also surprised that they’re all made in Japan.
"Noah - Now with more boost." (antriebverliebt)
01/18/2017 at 20:13, STARS: 0
yea the older ones get soooo rusty
"Alfalfa" (alfalfa-romeo)
01/18/2017 at 20:13, STARS: 0
This is why I Bronco.
I mean, in case you didn’t already know...
"Matt Nichelson" (whoismatt)
01/18/2017 at 20:14, STARS: 4
It amazes me how people can spend $60k on a custom Jeep and never take it off road because deep down they are scared of breaking it. If you buy one, great, just use it properly. Nobody cares if the biggest thing you’ve gone over is a speed bump in the mall parking lot.
Same goes for all the bro trucks I see. I live in the southern US, so some are actually used offroad (mainly mud riding, but still) and that’s fine. However, flat brim isn’t taking his brand new lifted overpriced truck anywhere near that stuff. Neither are the Jeep owners I see around here, which are near as many as the bro truck crowd.
At the end of the day, though, it’s their vehicle and not mine. That’s not me, so I will never own a Jeep or bro truck.
"TheHondaBro" (wwaveform)
01/18/2017 at 20:16, STARS: 0
The 4Runner drives really well. Very soft.
"jkm7680" (jkm7680)
01/18/2017 at 20:16, STARS: 0
Like we put this one up on a lift and took it riiiiight back down.
It went up, and before it even reached the top, we took it right back down. All the guy at the lift said was “nope.”
"jkm7680" (jkm7680)
01/18/2017 at 20:17, STARS: 0
And dat 4.0 sounds like the sex.
I want a V8 4runner of this current gen.
"Noah - Now with more boost." (antriebverliebt)
01/18/2017 at 20:20, STARS: 2
Oh man I can’t even imagine how bad the bro truck problem is in the south. I rarely have to drive in front of them... but they NEVER adjust their lights, so they point right at your mirror instead of the road
"unclevanos (Ovaltine Jenkins)" (unclevanos)
01/18/2017 at 20:27, STARS: 0
Yeah it rides like an ox cart on potholes but it has been 100 times more reliable than the E38 ever will. The 740 had constant check engine lights, and the suspension rebuild is too much for me right now. Its slow with the 2.5 but it gets me there. No it doesn’t empty my pockets everyday. I’m not lifted or on bro tires. It does fine in the snow and does well stock. Time well tell for the JKs though. I don’t see the 3.6 becoming legendary as the 4.0. Is it impractical for me? I guess but we have an extended cab silverado for stuff like that. I love the damn thing to death because it has character and its gone from this
to this
"TheHondaBro" (wwaveform)
01/18/2017 at 20:35, STARS: 1
The 4.0 bellows when you give it the beans. I’ve made actual facial expressions when flooring it.
"jkm7680" (jkm7680)
01/18/2017 at 20:35, STARS: 0
Haha, are they from the vast catalog of “bowel movement expressions.”
"TheHondaBro" (wwaveform)
01/18/2017 at 20:36, STARS: 1
No, it’s roughly similar to that face you make when your butthole itches and you fart hard enough to scratch it.
"Milky" (jordanmielke)
01/18/2017 at 20:37, STARS: 1
Wait. Its bad as a road car because most Wrangler owners take them off road.* But thats bad because there are too many off road?
Sounds like you’re jelly thats its good.
*In a world where only 15% of SUV owners ever go off road, Jeep says 60% of Wrangler owners do; for Rubicon models, its 80%
"jkm7680" (jkm7680)
01/18/2017 at 20:39, STARS: 0
Ah, that clears things up a lot.
"Milky" (jordanmielke)
01/18/2017 at 20:40, STARS: 2
“They’re unreliable”
Loves VAG products
Used to drive an Audi ...
wait a sec
"jkm7680" (jkm7680)
01/18/2017 at 20:43, STARS: 0
Well I never said that VAG products are reliable.
And out of multiple VAG products that I’ve owned, the one that’s broken the most is my 2016 Jetta.
Plus, all of my unreliable car stories come from Mopar products. I’ve never been stranded in an Audi.
"Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies" (jordanwphillips)
01/18/2017 at 20:45, STARS: 0
I’m doing my part!
"Milky" (jordanmielke)
01/18/2017 at 20:53, STARS: 1
As we all know to have character, you need to get something wrong.
!!! UNKNOWN CONTENT TYPE !!!
Thats what makes them “brilliant”.
"BigBlock440" (440-4bbl)
01/18/2017 at 21:28, STARS: 0
Will it be as legendary as teh 4.0? Probably not, but depends on how long they run it. Is it a huge step up from the 3.8? Absolutely.
"benjrblant" (benjblant)
01/18/2017 at 21:32, STARS: 0
As a (passionate) land cruiser owner, they’re awesome. Insanely durable, not picky about much of anything, highly capable, and host a highly devout following. The local Toyota club has an awesome selection of 4runners, Land Cruisers, Hiluxes/Tacomas, and the occasional FJ cruiser. There’s little want for diversity in those rides.
There’s something to be said for scarcity and diversity, and uniqueness goes a respectable way too.
However, as a (passionate) land cruiser owner, I guiltily admit that there is something really appealing for the early CJ’s and Jeepster Commandos. I feel nothing for Wranglers, they’re a dime a dozen and usually hang out with the bro trucks.
"Carbon Fiber Sasquatch" (turbopumpkin)
01/18/2017 at 21:38, STARS: 0
My thing is, that for the kind of money the options for a really nice car open up. A Wrangler can’t hold a candle to a CTS, S4 or any other premium car at $60k except at off-roading which like you said, they’ll never do.
$60k gets me a used Boxster and a 2015 Cadillac CTS FWIW
"LOREM IPSUM" (lorem---ipsum)
01/18/2017 at 21:47, STARS: 2
The world needs a modern AMC Eagle 4x4.
...and if Jeep could own and operate the company, add Quadradrive.
"Matt Nichelson" (whoismatt)
01/18/2017 at 21:53, STARS: 1
It’s bad. I hate when one gets behind me at night. It really is a huge thing down here, though. If I didn’t see a bro truck or a lifted Jeep during the day, it’s because I stayed home.
It’s weird though. I have lived in Mississippi (yeah yeah) all my life, yet I have only owned one truck and it was the first vehicle I ever owned back when I was 16 and an 84 Ranger at that. Since then I have owned nothing but cars. I guess that gene just didn’t transfer to me. Neither did the one for most country music either.
"Nothing" (nothingatalluseful)
01/18/2017 at 22:20, STARS: 0
I think they’re a good looking vehicle. I might even be tempted by the upcoming Jeep pickup. However a JKU would have to be about $10k less for me to consider one. Above $40k is a major no-go for me for a Wrangler. If I wanted to rock crawl (I don’t) and needed one vehicle to do it all, I can’t think of a better new option than a Wrangler, though. I also can’t think of a better “convertible truck” option, either.
"My bird IS the word" (mybirdistheword)
01/19/2017 at 00:56, STARS: 0
I think it’s less off-roaders who buy wranglers and more normal joes. It’s really the only non-sporty “fun” car, I think a lot of people can justify owning them.
90% of the people I see with lift kits on any car don’t off-road them