by "The Lurktastic Opponaught" (oppolurker)
Published 01/11/2017 at 21:52
by "The Lurktastic Opponaught" (oppolurker)
Published 01/11/2017 at 21:52
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Edit #2: Hyundai’s official stance on my transmission issues: “that ain’t right”. I should have it back in a week or so with a new transmission. Fingers crossed.
So it continues... (edit: repost for the daytime crowd just to get some more oppoinions)
First, credit where credit is due: Hyundai have been nothing but fantastically accommodating and good people to work with. I’m not writing this to cause them a headache, I’m just trying to understand what’s going on here. On to the show. The vehicle in question is a 2014 Elantra GT, aka “the lukewarm hatch”.
~6k miles ago: short block replacement due to oil consumption causing #3 bearing to fail. Never found out where the oil went. Noted that the transmission was acting differently (1st shift lockout previously 15 mph, was now 0-5 mph temperature dependent, and a very faint intermittent ticking sound when the car was in neutral) immediately following the work. Assumed it was normal behavior following the engine-out service.
~5k miles ago: clutch disk failed/fragmented. Replaced pressure plate, throw out, etc. During the failure, the clutch worked at the beginning of the drive, then failed, then worked again later after the car sat for awhile. Didn’t get an explaination for that part.
Last Friday: clutch disk failed/fragmented, immediately after I heard an RPM dependent squeaking while in neutral, foot off clutch, at a red light. Same clutch pedal behavior- works, doesn’t, works. Car flat bedded to dealer. Replaced pressure plate, throw out, etc.
I went to pick up the car today. I noticed that upon releasing the clutch pedal after starting, that damn ticking/squeaking noise was still there and louder. I walked back into the dealer, said hello to the service manager again, and we both walked out and agreed something wasn’t right.
What are your thoughts? My replies to any questions are going to be delayed until tomorrow. (Edit: tomorrow is now today and I’ll be replying as I’m able) Thanks for your help.
"Steve in Manhattan" (blogenfreude01)
01/11/2017 at 22:00, STARS: 1
Let them fix the car under warranty. Check out your state’s lemon laws - there might be a point where they have to buy it back, but I’d let them replace the car. If the dealership is really trying, you should stick with them.
"The Lurktastic Opponaught" (oppolurker)
01/11/2017 at 22:07, STARS: 0
We’ve purchased three cars from them over the years, and I’ve been quite happy with their customer service. They’re trying and I’ve got transportation, so I’m happy to give them some latitude to figure this out. What I’m not happy is being stranded on the side of the road three times in rapid succession. As I voiced to them today, I’m at the point where I can’t trust the car, and that’s not a good thing for me. It’s going to take significant assurance that things are right before my mind is changed.
"FTTOHG Has Moved to https://opposite-lock.com" (alphaass)
01/11/2017 at 22:10, STARS: 1
They replaced the slave cylinder at some point too right?! It sounds like something is leaking brake fluid somewhere. Basically, as you use the clutch you’re working more and more air into the system until it eventually gives out. If it sits for a while, some of those little bubbles percolate out and it’ll work again for a while the next time you turn it on. Eventually it’ll fail catastrophically and barf brake fluid everywhere. This is especially bad because brake fluid will eat any paint it touches in the process.
The ticking could be injectors/lifters/general head noise. Hyundais do that, they have noisier heads that most and always sounds like they are ticking. Squealing might just be a belt. Especially if they put the same pulleys and belts back on the new short block. I always had intermittent squealing on my 2.7L Delta V6.
"Wacko" (wacko--)
01/11/2017 at 22:42, STARS: 0
I had a 2017 Santa Fe sport for a week about 5 weeks ago. Found it underpowered. Didn’t shift when it should. Wasn’t bad, but I wasn’t really impressed. Feels cramped inside.
Might also be the fact that I own a 2014 pathfinder. My path feels huge compared to the Santa Fe.
"shop-teacher" (shop-teacher)
01/11/2017 at 23:08, STARS: 1
I wonder if the transmission isn’t quite lined up with the engine. Close enough to bolt together, but not close enough for the clutch to live.
*source: I have no idea what I’m doing!
"carcrasher88" (carcrasher88)
01/11/2017 at 23:10, STARS: 0
Remember, the Santa Fe Sport is the short wheelbase version. That’s probably why it feels cramped in comparison to the Pathfinder.
The Limited mentioned above is clearly the long wheelbase version, as the Limited trim is only offered on it (base model being the SE (or GLS on pre ‘16 models)), with the Sport coming in plain 2.4 and 2.0T trims.
"wafflesnfalafel" (wafflesnfalafel1)
01/11/2017 at 23:22, STARS: 1
my money is on a bad input shaft bearing causing the noise and independently causing the clutch to fail
"Steve in Manhattan" (blogenfreude01)
01/11/2017 at 23:28, STARS: 0
Check the lemon laws in your state. You might have some edge.
"E92M3" (E46M3)
01/11/2017 at 23:43, STARS: 0
That’s a lot of bad luck. How many miles are on the car? I don’t think I would be buying another Hyundai. The newest clutch issues could be an installation error/technician screw up. I guess every model has a small percentage of engine failures, and clutches take various levels of abuse based on the driver. I’m interested to know if you purchased it new, and the mileage?
"The Lurktastic Opponaught" (oppolurker)
01/12/2017 at 06:04, STARS: 0
New, and this began at about 43k.
"The Lurktastic Opponaught" (oppolurker)
01/12/2017 at 06:06, STARS: 0
I’m also guessing the clutch failures are a symptom of something else, not the root cause. I could be doing something grossly wrong, but I’ve been driving manuals for nearly 20 years and have never destroyed one before.
"The Lurktastic Opponaught" (oppolurker)
01/12/2017 at 06:07, STARS: 0
No slave cylinder replacement. I asked, was told everything was fine.
"The Lurktastic Opponaught" (oppolurker)
01/12/2017 at 06:11, STARS: 0
THe ticking is there when the clutch pedal is released in neutral, and goes away when the pedal is depressed.
"The Lurktastic Opponaught" (oppolurker)
01/12/2017 at 06:21, STARS: 1
Just like my lukewarm hatch, it’s a commuting appliance. I just need to get to work, an it does that for me. I do wish it was summer though- the panoramic moon roof and ventilated seats are neat.
"pip bip - choose Corrour" (hhgttg69)
01/12/2017 at 06:25, STARS: 0
needs a new clutch pedal maybe?
"The Lurktastic Opponaught" (oppolurker)
01/12/2017 at 06:26, STARS: 0
I do my best not to wail on it, as it’s a Hyundai, not a race car. Purchase was dictated by price *grumble student loans grumble* not by performance.
The biggest issue I have is that of trust. When’s it going to leave me on the side of the road next?
"The Lurktastic Opponaught" (oppolurker)
01/12/2017 at 06:33, STARS: 0
Maybe it needs a new meat popscicle at the end of the clutch pedal.
"FTTOHG Has Moved to https://opposite-lock.com" (alphaass)
01/12/2017 at 08:15, STARS: 1
Hmm... not sure where the slave is on these, but if it is a concentric slave that is inside the bellhousing, then it should be replaced as SOP whenever a clutch job is done. I’m assuming this is warranty work, though so Hyundai probably is only paying for things that absolutely are broken.
"FTTOHG Has Moved to https://opposite-lock.com" (alphaass)
01/12/2017 at 08:23, STARS: 0
Weird. My car does sort of the opposite when the fluid is cold - makes a noise when the pedal is depressed but nothing when it is released. Obviously something isn’t right. Almost seems like it isn’t fully engaging. That probably isn’t a fluid problem though - that tends to be the opposite: not enough pressure to fully disengage. Have you noticed any slipping (rev/speed mismatch) before it just totally stops working? It sounds like that could’ve been what you were alluding to when you said hitting the lockout at 5/10 mph instead of 15 mph. If the revs are going up and the vehicle speed isn’t matching (and you don’t have the pedal halfway down) then you’re getting slip. Typically that happens when the friction disk or pressure plate is dying, but you just had both replaced. What about the flywheel? I suppose the master cylinder could have issues. One died in my car, but not until nearly 100k.
"The Lurktastic Opponaught" (oppolurker)
01/12/2017 at 08:43, STARS: 1
The service manager did state that the clutch plate was very worn at the first replacement, and after the second replacement he said that it was also worn and slightly glazed. I’m willing to accept I could be doing something wrong, but through the lens of the repair history, I strongly suspect there’s something else going on.
"The Lurktastic Opponaught" (oppolurker)
01/12/2017 at 08:46, STARS: 0
And no, I didn’t notice slipping, but I do drive rather conservatively. No word on the flywheel, at least that I remember.
"E92M3" (E46M3)
01/12/2017 at 10:39, STARS: 0
Ok, so we know it wasn’t abused by a previous owner. Neither of those should of failed that soon. The good news is it’s under warranty I guess. I think I’d get something different once it’s repaired.
"The Lurktastic Opponaught" (oppolurker)
01/12/2017 at 10:42, STARS: 0
Once I’m able, I will. I’m cross shopping a bunch of different cars right now, hence that WRX post after my test drive on Saturday :-)
I want my next manual to have the capacity for doing things like auto cross and maybe a day this summer at lime rock.
"E92M3" (E46M3)
01/12/2017 at 11:16, STARS: 0
Your mind is in the right place, but Subaru isn’t exactly know for reliability either.
"The Lurktastic Opponaught" (oppolurker)
01/12/2017 at 14:47, STARS: 0
I’m also considering the toyubaru twins with a damn good set of snow tires. I have family that works for Subaru corporate, so I can get a fairly significant discount on their vehicles. And I’m a 7 year old at heart, so the WRX is at the top of my list. I’m willing to put up with some headaches and known (and therefore somewhat manageable) issues in a performance car. Not so much in a commuting appliance. I did look more into the Acura line as you recommended, I’ll be giving them some more consideration as well.