by "K-Roll-PorscheTamer" (k-roll390)
Published 01/06/2017 at 15:11
by "K-Roll-PorscheTamer" (k-roll390)
Published 01/06/2017 at 15:11
Tags: Kart2Kart
STARS: 2
Tomorrow is the Jalopnik event, and my goal is to shave 2 seconds off yesterday’s 29.546 best time. Here’s the track. Can you guys give me some tips and pointers on how to do so?
"Comes over to help work on your car and only drinks beer" (cyclonefan94)
01/06/2017 at 15:13, STARS: 1
Go directly from 2 to 5. Blammo!
"Urambo Tauro" (urambotauro)
01/06/2017 at 15:15, STARS: 1
Lift kit and off-road tires.
"SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie" (sidewaysondirt)
01/06/2017 at 15:15, STARS: 1
Show up early and try to follow the fast guys. That’s probably the best you can get on here because no one knows what you’re doing wrong.
"The Snowman" (the-snowman)
01/06/2017 at 15:15, STARS: 0
Gas or electric?
"CRider" (crider)
01/06/2017 at 15:16, STARS: 4
1. Go faster
2. Don’t slow down
3. Put Westbrook into the wall
"Highlander-Datsuns are Forever" (jamesbowland)
01/06/2017 at 15:16, STARS: 0
Simplify and add lightness.
"Future next gen S2000 owner" (future-next-gen-s2000-owner)
01/06/2017 at 15:17, STARS: 0
Never lift.
"facw" (facw)
01/06/2017 at 15:18, STARS: 0
Seriously. If you need to, flip a car so it can be your ramp.
"K-Roll-PorscheTamer" (k-roll390)
01/06/2017 at 15:19, STARS: 0
Gas.
"K-Roll-PorscheTamer" (k-roll390)
01/06/2017 at 15:19, STARS: 0
Never take my foot off the gas?
"K-Roll-PorscheTamer" (k-roll390)
01/06/2017 at 15:20, STARS: 1
So wear less....? It’s gonna be a chilly race.
"K-Roll-PorscheTamer" (k-roll390)
01/06/2017 at 15:20, STARS: 2
You have any koopa shells?
"Lumpy44, Proprietor Of Fine Gif" (lumpy44)
01/06/2017 at 15:20, STARS: 0
Crash Torch, and dodge a crashing Raph.
"K-Roll-PorscheTamer" (k-roll390)
01/06/2017 at 15:21, STARS: 0
I don’t know what I’m doing in general. :p
"Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer" (smallbear94)
01/06/2017 at 15:21, STARS: 2
Lean your weight into the corners. It does help.
"Future next gen S2000 owner" (future-next-gen-s2000-owner)
01/06/2017 at 15:22, STARS: 1
Correct. Turn in sharply to get the front end to bite, manage the back end with a dab of oppo.*
*1 &4 may require some brakes, use less than you think.
"K-Roll-PorscheTamer" (k-roll390)
01/06/2017 at 15:22, STARS: 0
The first two I can do. I don’t think I can do the third though, even if he was gonna be there.
"haveacarortwoorthree2" (haveacarortwoorthree2)
01/06/2017 at 15:22, STARS: 2
Add decals to kart. Each good for +5hp.
"SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie" (sidewaysondirt)
01/06/2017 at 15:22, STARS: 0
So follow someone who does! Brought a friend out to their “are you faster than...” one a few months ago who never drove fast in his life. Granted, the karts there were slower than the track, but after a few runs trying to follow, he wasn’t far behind me.
"K-Roll-PorscheTamer" (k-roll390)
01/06/2017 at 15:24, STARS: 0
Like lean my body? Go against the force of gravity?
"K-Roll-PorscheTamer" (k-roll390)
01/06/2017 at 15:24, STARS: 1
That’s not how this works o_o
"Manwich - now Keto-Friendly" (manwich)
01/06/2017 at 15:25, STARS: 3
And do what supermodels do... go on a celery and water diet from now until the race. And make sure you purge before the race.
"Trunk Impaired 318" (matteocscaptura)
01/06/2017 at 15:26, STARS: 1
Those karts can carry a lot more speed than you think through the corners, it looks like you might be able to get away without braking into the first corner.
"Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer" (smallbear94)
01/06/2017 at 15:26, STARS: 0
Exactly. It was a tip I was given by the guy running one of our tracks. Gives you more even traction or something. Whatever it does, it works.
"K-Roll-PorscheTamer" (k-roll390)
01/06/2017 at 15:27, STARS: 2
Does that diet actually work? I’ve like 24 hours lol. (jk)
"Tekamul" (tekamulburner)
01/06/2017 at 15:27, STARS: 1
Don’t eat from now until then. Wear less clothing. Watch the fast guys from 4-5, that’s where most people mess up.
I swear, every indoor place uses the same damn track shape.
"E90M3" (e90m3)
01/06/2017 at 15:28, STARS: 2
Use the Mustang as it was intended for, you can’t lose a race if you’re the only one in it.
"Highlander-Datsuns are Forever" (jamesbowland)
01/06/2017 at 15:28, STARS: 2
Something like this.
"K-Roll-PorscheTamer" (k-roll390)
01/06/2017 at 15:29, STARS: 0
It’s also rear-braking.
"SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie" (sidewaysondirt)
01/06/2017 at 15:30, STARS: 2
Sometimes you don’t want to because you want the inside wheel to lift though ;)
"Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer" (smallbear94)
01/06/2017 at 15:30, STARS: 0
Not always the fastest, always the most fun
"K-Roll-PorscheTamer" (k-roll390)
01/06/2017 at 15:30, STARS: 1
Kinda like what they do on motor bikes?
"Urambo Tauro" (urambotauro)
01/06/2017 at 15:31, STARS: 1
NOS then.
"ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com" (ita97)
01/06/2017 at 15:34, STARS: 1
With the caveat of not having seen or driven this track and karts in person, the racer inside of me is suspicious of the suggested line through 3. If that exit is as tight as it looks, that line might really be loading up the kart on the way out and costing exit speed, the loss of which will be magnified down that straight. That line also leaves a great passing opportunity for the guy behind you.
I would probably try squaring off that corner complex and/or treating it as a double apex situation with the aim of maximizing speed at corner exit, which will pay dividends all the way down that straight. That line would also make any passing attempts by the guy behind you much less likely to succeed in that spot.
"RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht" (ramblininexile)
01/06/2017 at 15:38, STARS: 4
Use your stars very carefully, and you can get a little more speed coming out of the corners if you time your leans just right for the blue sparks.
"themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles" (themanwithsauce)
01/06/2017 at 15:38, STARS: 2
Yes and no, the bike lean is to let you keep the motorcycle upright while still turning. You lower the center of gravity by hanging off and can use your weight to pull the bike into the inside of the turn.
In a go-kart, you lean to transfer the weight onto different parts of the suspension and drivetrain. Leaning forward while braking helps put the weigh on the front to slow you down a bit better. It will also help with turn in since those fronts have very little weight on them. Leaning “into” a turn helps keep some weight on both back tires so you can stay on the power instead of one side suddenly going light and you find yoruself with some oversteer or a one wheel peel.
"Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies" (jordanwphillips)
01/06/2017 at 15:39, STARS: 2
When in doubt, flat out.
"Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer" (smallbear94)
01/06/2017 at 15:49, STARS: 0
Same action, I guess.
EDIT: Don’t listen to me. Listen to themanwithsauce
"Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer" (smallbear94)
01/06/2017 at 15:50, STARS: 0
Stand up and lean towards the inside front corner
"K-Roll-PorscheTamer" (k-roll390)
01/06/2017 at 15:54, STARS: 0
Even if they’re rear-brake?
"K-Roll-PorscheTamer" (k-roll390)
01/06/2017 at 15:55, STARS: 1
This is true...
"derf" (derficus)
01/06/2017 at 15:56, STARS: 0
Can’t one-wheel-peel when there’s no diff - karts have a solid rear axle and both rear wheels turn at the same rate. Ideally you want the inside rear wheel to lift slightly off the ground as you rotate and then load up again smoothly through the exit.
Leaning forward can be useful to get more bite from the fronts if you’re understeering, but the brakes are only on the rear wheels (every turn is a handbrake turn! whee!)
"K-Roll-PorscheTamer" (k-roll390)
01/06/2017 at 15:56, STARS: 0
I’ve no skill in reworking a fuel/intake/ignition system
"K-Roll-PorscheTamer" (k-roll390)
01/06/2017 at 15:57, STARS: 1
I need Koopa shells. A good mix of red and blue would be nice.
"K-Roll-PorscheTamer" (k-roll390)
01/06/2017 at 15:58, STARS: 1
That’s what I did to achieve my 29.546. :p
"Trunk Impaired 318" (matteocscaptura)
01/06/2017 at 16:00, STARS: 0
Yep, at worst that corner needs just a very light touch of the brakes before turn in since its a slow corner before the straight
"RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht" (ramblininexile)
01/06/2017 at 16:01, STARS: 1
I read all the comments first to make sure nobody else had started a Mario Kart joke string. Seeing none, I was all “what”. Really surprising.
"DutchieDC2R" (dutchiedc2r)
01/06/2017 at 16:04, STARS: 0
the gas pedal...there’s something you need to do with it, I just can’t remember what....
"K-Roll-PorscheTamer" (k-roll390)
01/06/2017 at 16:05, STARS: 0
How light do you reckon?
"Censored" (chrisbrown2992)
01/06/2017 at 16:07, STARS: 1
Aside from the simple weight distribution benefit, it also helps plant the inside rear wheel.
Karts are live axles, the inside wheel has the shortest path around the corner. Keeping the weight over the inside rear wheel aids in planting that tire and pulling you through the corner faster.
The weight transfer helps in two ways. First you want the center of mass of the kart to take the shortest path aroundthe track. Second, tires have a finite amount of grip to give. If you set upright and go around a corner, the inside tire will try to lift and the outside tire will plant. Eventually you will surpass the grip constant of the outside tire while under utilizing the inside tire. By shifting weight over the inside tire you will start to minimize the lift on the inside tire giving you more total grip avaliable. This is the same concept as sway bars on a suspension vehicle.
This is why circle track kartsare usually offset chassis.
"K-Roll-PorscheTamer" (k-roll390)
01/06/2017 at 16:07, STARS: 0
Right? It should be a given for all karting events. And I hope to see one Mario hat tomorrow.
"themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles" (themanwithsauce)
01/06/2017 at 16:07, STARS: 0
WHelp, this explains why I suck at karts...
"Trunk Impaired 318" (matteocscaptura)
01/06/2017 at 16:26, STARS: 0
A tap, typically those karts start slowing down once you lift off the throttle. Plus, theres a lot of room to get out wide and really throw the kart into the turn.
"John Norris (AngryDrifter)" (angrydrifter)
01/06/2017 at 16:47, STARS: 1
1. Get the fastest kart.
2. Start at the front so you don’t have slower karts fouling your lap time.
3. Make sure you are setting yourself up to exit the corners as good as you can. Diving into a corner can make you slow down too much to exit the corner optimally. If there is a straight after the corner you will be slower for the entire straight (as in turn 3 and 6 in your map). If a straight is several seconds long you will be slower ans losing time for several seconds. Sometimes diving into a corner is necessary to pass a slower car. See item #2 above.
4. Turn #1 looks pretty tight. The entry into #1 will greatly impact your time through #1, 2, and 3. A smooth entry not resulting in a lot of oversteer or understeer should help. Same goes for turn #5. A bad entry there probably fouls you all the way down the front straight.
"derf" (derficus)
01/06/2017 at 16:50, STARS: 0
Don’t know about circle track karts, but a normal kart chassis is designed to unload the inside rear wheel as you’re turning in. Ideally you want to three-wheel through mid corner and load the inside tire up again as you exit.
"Censored" (chrisbrown2992)
01/06/2017 at 17:02, STARS: 0
I grew up circle track racing and assumed that the same principles transferred over. Guess not.
For my curiosity, why would you wan’t to lift a wheel? You are purposfully reducing the total grip available. Is it due to axle bind? Most of my racing experience also was on dirt where axle bind is much less of an issue. Dirt however, plays very similar to the “slick” nature of the indoor concrete tracks.
"derf" (derficus)
01/06/2017 at 17:11, STARS: 1
This. You want the inside wheel to lift when you’re turning in.
Short version: because you don’t have a diff, you have two sticky tires that must turn at the same speed. Lifting the inside wheel means it can turn at the faster rate demanded by the longer path the outside wheel is taking without having to fight its own friction with the track surface.
Here’s a link talking about kart chassis setup in more detail:
http://www.karting.co.uk/KandK/Tech/KartSetup.html
"derf" (derficus)
01/06/2017 at 17:27, STARS: 0
Ah, I could see how you’d want a different approach for low traction surfaces. Hm.. I tried to reply to Sideways on Dirt up above, but it doesn’t seem to have gone through.
Short version: because you don’t have a diff, you have two sticky tires that must turn at the same speed. Lifting the inside wheel means it can turn at the faster rate demanded by the longer path the outside wheel is taking without having to fight its own friction with the track surface.
I don’t claim to be especially quick in karts, but I spend a fair bit of time finishing behind some people who are. :) Here’s a link that goes into more detail: http://www.karting.co.uk/KandK/Tech/KartSetup.html
"XJDano" (xjdano)
01/06/2017 at 17:41, STARS: 2
Poop before the race.
I don’t know. Have fun though, don’t take it too seriously.
"Montalvo" (m5goesroundtheoutside)
01/06/2017 at 17:59, STARS: 0
Cut your brakes so slowing down isn’t an option.
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"The Snowman" (the-snowman)
01/06/2017 at 18:52, STARS: 1
Never lift off the gas just use the brakes to slow for corners. Keeping the rpms up will make you faster out of corners, this is rough on the kart and they may yell at you, but you’ll be faster.
"K-Roll-PorscheTamer" (k-roll390)
01/06/2017 at 18:55, STARS: 0
I can use gas and brake at the same time?? Every time I touched the brakes, it felt like the throttle was cut.
"The Snowman" (the-snowman)
01/06/2017 at 19:32, STARS: 0
Electrics do cut out for sure but real gas karts let you do it...
"davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com" (davesaddiction)
01/06/2017 at 20:22, STARS: 0
Sweatsuit & jump rope.
"K-Roll-PorscheTamer" (k-roll390)
01/06/2017 at 21:39, STARS: 0
And lots of eggs? I don’t think I can Rocky this one.
"davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com" (davesaddiction)
01/07/2017 at 00:07, STARS: 0
No, was thinking of a wrestler dropping weight.